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Replying to: kernick (Jan 09, 2009 7:19 am) I would agree if the supply and demand of markets wasn't tampered with. Special interests and lobby's are a fact of life. Thats real money they spend to get special treatment. Millions for billions are what Washington is all about. Evidently they have plenty of money to spend on "educating/bribing" and their plans are working. This is a far cry from the capitalist system in which the market forces determine supply and demand. Fact is that this is not capitalism and or some type of capitalism which lacks moral turpitude. Its ok for these folks to defy economic law and not the UAW??? |
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 6:25 pm) Thats going to happen, sure as Obama was elected. Its called progress and out with the old, in with the new. Then too we can look forward to the rebirth of the UAW and strong labor to offset big corporate multinational and big govt. Each keeping each other in check. If you think this up coming generation is going to stand for silly notions of their standard of living declining, your in for a surprise. There is a whole new breed of wildcat out there. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 7:04 pm) I agree with whom ever posted that paying a lug nut assembler $400,000 per year is fine as long as the company is making money and agrees to the contract. Where the rub comes in is when GM and the UAW come begging those that are lucky to be lower middle class to subsidize the UAW's opulent life style. And making $100k plus per year IS upper middle class. Top 2-3% in the nation.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 7:47 pm) I also think it's a bit of brinkmanship. And he's got politics on his side: "Key changes proposed by Frank would ensure oversight of the auto rescue under a trustee or "car czar" and would eliminate language on steps the United Auto Workers union must take in coming weeks to try and reduce industry costs." Proposal would drop labor targets in auto bailout (Reuters) |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Can't buy it. All I see is a bunch of young hoodlums with pants hanging down to their knees, tattoos all over their body and pierced like a pin cushion. They walk around clueless as to the debt they are going to have. I see mass suicide when reality sets in. You can put your hope in Obama. I think he has already seen the light and it is not the UAW he will pander to. If the UAW and GM cannot build cars to compete with China, Japan and Korea. They will no longer exist. Obama wants to see practical solutions to the energy and fossil fuel usage. GM & the UAW offer nothing but vaporware. The odds on the Volt ever ending up for sale are about the same as the EV-1.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 7:01 pm) but assume you are right and this was a grand show which somehow made the clintons look good, effective, and powerful 15 years ago. as you know, since then health care costs have more than doubled and you lost your health care because the teamsters defined contributions trust fund could no longer keep up with the out of sight premium increases. (that was the first time you were hoisted on your own petard!) but what is your point? are you suggesting the next round of the national health care campaign will be just be another alleged show? if that is your point the sleep easy -don't waste your time calling your congress persons to express an opinion since its all just a show - however i think you are going to be in for a surprise by this time next year when you awake-- let's see- how do we pay for national health insurance? usa is paying more than double the cost per citizen for health care of just about every country with national health care 16-18% of GDP versus 7-10% the rest of the sane industrialized world has universal coverage and we currently have lost 46 million in the canyon of no coverage. countries paying half our cost per citizens also have better overall health care as determined by the world health organization. i say that the 50% of present costs that we save under national health care be used to set up lavish golf resorts for union big shots! by gum garice you finally lead us to a great solution to everyone's problem. ( i may have to start taking lessons though and what do i do with 5 months of snow up here!) those that don't want to become socialists under national health care can move to mexico or turkey - i believe these two would be the only counties withour national health care in the semi civilized world .
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Daimler to cut 2,137 jobs in NC Freightliner plants (Land Line) It sounds like those are all UAW jobs. Another link says Freightliner workers typically earn in the low to mid-40s, plus health and retirement benefits. (KFAE)
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 7:58 pm) Yup, because it will never work. I never had health care as a child. My mom and grandma paid to have my tonsils out when I was 6. I am sure it was more than they wanted to pay, but did not lose the house or car. They both worked in the sewing factory in LA during and after the war. Someone will have to pay for this health care you are touting. The UAW worker is at the top of the food chain in America. We shall see how they like paying for those 46 million uninsured you keep bringing up. Heck they are driving GM into bankruptcy paying for 500k retirees. How are they going to cover 46,000,000 more people? What a joke... Mexico mandates healthcare for all employers. I hire a fellow to work for me. His wife works for Sony in TJ. She has health care for the family. Nothing like the cost that it is here due to your buddy John Edwards and $50,000 malpractice premiums for every doctor. usa is paying more than double the cost per citizen for health care of just about every country with national health care 16-18% of GDP versus 7-10% the rest of the sane industrialized world So how will that be less with US covering 46 million more people? those that don't want to become socialists under national health care can move to mexico or turkey I was thinking the same thing. Only we should send all whiners and the UAW retirees to Canada. Utopia is Just across the border.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Unfortunately, that is what the younger generation will have to live with. It has to start from the US (since it is spending way beyond its means), and will arrive in Japan / Germany as the US consumption goes down (since their economies feed it). Perhaps not in China, since the average living standards there are so low that their younger generation can look forward to an improvement in their lifetime, even with a global "readjustment" going on. We are in for hard times, but I look at it this way - the last 10 years were an aberration, and some restraint on "the more you consume the better the economy gets" model is required. So we are simply going to go back to a more sustainable lifestyle. The sooner we start practicing for it, the easier the transition will be.
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