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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 09, 2009 10:02 am) So if Ford Motor Company knew that its Pinto would catch on fire at a relatively slow rear impact. Knowledge of this, and doing a cost benefit calculation, they saw that the recall would cost more than lawsuits. So they sat on their hands and never ever imagined that a grossly hideous plaintiff would show up for trial. A jury of our peers, sane and rational folks like you and I, decided to teach them a lesson. Ford had ample opportunity and a highly paid legal team to defend them. I think that criminal charges should also have been filed for the reckless behavior. They wanton and willingly had malice of forethought and acted in a reprehensible manner. Tort reform is a double edge sword. California set caps on awards. An OBGYN made a mistake. $250,000 is what the malpractice insurance paid out. Unfortunately the taxpayers will have to fork out the $2,000,000 to take care of this child for the rest of his/her life. Gee, thats progress??? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 5:00 pm) I recall the insurance industry, drug makers, and all those special interest groups airing commercials and propaganda. The very folks who claim to be concern for our well being/health came out loud and clear. They are more concern about money. Greed is the reason that rural America is under served and poor folks are not getting medical attention. Its a disgrace that the real reason for going into medicine is greed. Few if any go into medicine for the right reasons and the same could be said about politics.
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 6:25 pm) Of course they could have. What was to stop them? It was just a bunch of worthless Democrats that would do whatever Bill wanted. He was more interested in passing NAFTA and buying friends in foreign Countries. I would say he has succeeded even beyond his wildest dreams. The sad part is you believed he would push for Universal Health Care. You know who else got sucked into that idea, Stephanopoulos? He believed that Clinton was a socialist and found out different. The Clinton's are as much globalist as any one in Government. They pander to the UAW to get VOTES. That is it. Obama pandered to the UAW and got votes. I think Bush gave GM & the UAW more than Obama will give. He really does not like the direction of the domestics. Do some research. The only reason he drives a 300C is to go incognito in the hood. I started at the UAW in 1970 Same year I was part of the RCA Global bargaining unit that voted in the Teamsters. I do not remember hearing any talk of government sponsored health care. The Teamsters had just bought an old hospital and were providing 100% medical, dental and eyecare to all employees working and retired. They then built a state of the art hospital and both my children were born there. It did not cost me a penny. Then as fate would have it the economy in oil took a nose dive and the Teamsters with it. We could no longer offer 100% care. It has gone down to 90%, then 80% now it is 70% for those that are employed. You keep acting like I should be able to do something about the out of control health care. I found Kaiser to be the best bang for the buck. If you lose your deal I would start doing some research. There is not going to be universal health care EVER. It would bankrupt the country faster than any other socialist program. And Obama knows it. You cannot give anything for free without abuse. The employer community no longer wants to be the primary health care payers for the country Most of the smart business owners have already shuffled some of the cost onto the employee. I will ask you again. Who do you propose will pay for this grand health care plan? You can forget cutting back on military. Obama already has plans to expand. He will shift from Iraq to Afghanistan. Already said that was his plan. Pragmatism is a word you need to look at. Nothing you stand for or promote is practical.
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Let's get back to the UAW please. Either that or we're calling a strike vote. 
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 09, 2009 5:52 pm) So do I. I got dealt a weird hand on the health front. I may not like that part but one learns to live with it. Loads of folks have worse. On the kid front I started late and kept going. It's like having grandkids except they don't go home.... How 'bout that UAW.... |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 6:55 pm) So you are saying that Bill and Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic Congress fell for the propaganda. Bill Clinton ran on Universal health care. In fact just about every Democrat since JFK has used it to get votes. Works every time why not use it over and over again. The sheep have short memories and will forget in 4 years. What the UAW should have done is set up their own Health care system and policed those providers that over charge. I got so mad at a local doctor that took out my sons tonsils. It was of course an outpatient procedure. 4 doctors sent bills to my Teamster's insurance. They had paid $5000 before I had a chance to stop them. How do 4 doctor's get their hand into a boy's mouth at the same time. A month later a friend in Anchorage had her son's tonsils removed and the total bill was $1200. We don't need the government involved we need to police the providers. We should question every bill they send to our insurance company. We are surrounded by crooks and the Congress is the worst of the lot. |
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A big point of contention in the 1993 negotiations was the control of health care costs. U.A.W. workers have one of the most generous health care systems in American industry, and the union successfully resisted the introduction in 1993 of health insurance deductibles and co-payments for hospital stays. The latest approach of the Big Three has been to demand cost reductions and minimum quality standards from hospitals and doctors in communities where auto workers make up a large proportion of the working population. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E5DE1339F937A35757C0A96095826- 0&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1 |
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 09, 2009 7:19 am) I would agree if the supply and demand of markets wasn't tampered with. Special interests and lobby's are a fact of life. Thats real money they spend to get special treatment. Millions for billions are what Washington is all about. Evidently they have plenty of money to spend on "educating/bribing" and their plans are working. This is a far cry from the capitalist system in which the market forces determine supply and demand. Fact is that this is not capitalism and or some type of capitalism which lacks moral turpitude. Its ok for these folks to defy economic law and not the UAW??? |
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 6:25 pm) Thats going to happen, sure as Obama was elected. Its called progress and out with the old, in with the new. Then too we can look forward to the rebirth of the UAW and strong labor to offset big corporate multinational and big govt. Each keeping each other in check. If you think this up coming generation is going to stand for silly notions of their standard of living declining, your in for a surprise. There is a whole new breed of wildcat out there. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 7:04 pm) I agree with whom ever posted that paying a lug nut assembler $400,000 per year is fine as long as the company is making money and agrees to the contract. Where the rub comes in is when GM and the UAW come begging those that are lucky to be lower middle class to subsidize the UAW's opulent life style. And making $100k plus per year IS upper middle class. Top 2-3% in the nation.
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