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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 2:26 pm) And again you have side stepped the real issue. How will GM survive unless everyone in the UAW takes a cut in pay? Not just Wagoner. Though I think he belongs in the unemployment line.
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 09, 2009 4:08 pm) I used to feel the way you do about pills. It's different when you actually have the decisions to make. I still work and have young kids so I'll be around a bit yet....
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 09, 2009 5:06 pm) we have somewhat parallel responsibilites to our kids and parents as the UAW leadership does to their members. i still would 'not like' (don't say hate) a life of taking pills. if i walked a mile in your shoes, maybe i would feel differently. i hope you decide to try out giant slalom skiing when you are 100 years old. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 5:00 pm) i don't understand your point about why couldn't the uaw or the clintons get national health care under the clintons. are you suggesting that they could have done it at any time they wanted but really didn't try? are you suggesting that control of congress is all that is necessary to get a law passed? by that way of thinking, Bush could have passed the amnesty for illegal immigrants bill or privatized social security any time he wanted? ( think of having your SS investments in the stock market now!! for you, that would mean 'being hoisted on your own petard' twice! ) I started at the UAW in 1970--all i can tell you is that from day one i was well aware that passage of national health care was one of the UAW's principal legislative goals. does everyone else but you realize that national health care has not been enacted in the usa (unlike every other industrialized country) because of opposition from insurance and drug companies, most doctors and the republican party. that traditional opposition and the "socialized medicine" boogie man is not going to work this time. the usa's current health care system has failed about as bad as bush.. our health care system's astounding steady annual cost increases and the huge numbers without insurance coverage just cannot be ignored any longer. if you cannot see this, then I can only diagnose you as suffering from such an acute case of ideological blindness so bad that no cure is possible. fortunately, the major player and real owner of congress has changed sides. the employer community has finally had the scales fall from their eyes. they, along with almost everyone else, can finally see what has to be done. The employer community no longer wants to be the primary health care payers for the country with the responsibility for trying to control costs and/or shift those costs to their employees . this switch finally will bring us much needed national health care-for you to see or at least experience. someday soon..
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 09, 2009 10:02 am) So if Ford Motor Company knew that its Pinto would catch on fire at a relatively slow rear impact. Knowledge of this, and doing a cost benefit calculation, they saw that the recall would cost more than lawsuits. So they sat on their hands and never ever imagined that a grossly hideous plaintiff would show up for trial. A jury of our peers, sane and rational folks like you and I, decided to teach them a lesson. Ford had ample opportunity and a highly paid legal team to defend them. I think that criminal charges should also have been filed for the reckless behavior. They wanton and willingly had malice of forethought and acted in a reprehensible manner. Tort reform is a double edge sword. California set caps on awards. An OBGYN made a mistake. $250,000 is what the malpractice insurance paid out. Unfortunately the taxpayers will have to fork out the $2,000,000 to take care of this child for the rest of his/her life. Gee, thats progress??? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 5:00 pm) I recall the insurance industry, drug makers, and all those special interest groups airing commercials and propaganda. The very folks who claim to be concern for our well being/health came out loud and clear. They are more concern about money. Greed is the reason that rural America is under served and poor folks are not getting medical attention. Its a disgrace that the real reason for going into medicine is greed. Few if any go into medicine for the right reasons and the same could be said about politics.
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 6:25 pm) Of course they could have. What was to stop them? It was just a bunch of worthless Democrats that would do whatever Bill wanted. He was more interested in passing NAFTA and buying friends in foreign Countries. I would say he has succeeded even beyond his wildest dreams. The sad part is you believed he would push for Universal Health Care. You know who else got sucked into that idea, Stephanopoulos? He believed that Clinton was a socialist and found out different. The Clinton's are as much globalist as any one in Government. They pander to the UAW to get VOTES. That is it. Obama pandered to the UAW and got votes. I think Bush gave GM & the UAW more than Obama will give. He really does not like the direction of the domestics. Do some research. The only reason he drives a 300C is to go incognito in the hood. I started at the UAW in 1970 Same year I was part of the RCA Global bargaining unit that voted in the Teamsters. I do not remember hearing any talk of government sponsored health care. The Teamsters had just bought an old hospital and were providing 100% medical, dental and eyecare to all employees working and retired. They then built a state of the art hospital and both my children were born there. It did not cost me a penny. Then as fate would have it the economy in oil took a nose dive and the Teamsters with it. We could no longer offer 100% care. It has gone down to 90%, then 80% now it is 70% for those that are employed. You keep acting like I should be able to do something about the out of control health care. I found Kaiser to be the best bang for the buck. If you lose your deal I would start doing some research. There is not going to be universal health care EVER. It would bankrupt the country faster than any other socialist program. And Obama knows it. You cannot give anything for free without abuse. The employer community no longer wants to be the primary health care payers for the country Most of the smart business owners have already shuffled some of the cost onto the employee. I will ask you again. Who do you propose will pay for this grand health care plan? You can forget cutting back on military. Obama already has plans to expand. He will shift from Iraq to Afghanistan. Already said that was his plan. Pragmatism is a word you need to look at. Nothing you stand for or promote is practical.
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Let's get back to the UAW please. Either that or we're calling a strike vote. 
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 09, 2009 5:52 pm) So do I. I got dealt a weird hand on the health front. I may not like that part but one learns to live with it. Loads of folks have worse. On the kid front I started late and kept going. It's like having grandkids except they don't go home.... How 'bout that UAW.... |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 6:55 pm) So you are saying that Bill and Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic Congress fell for the propaganda. Bill Clinton ran on Universal health care. In fact just about every Democrat since JFK has used it to get votes. Works every time why not use it over and over again. The sheep have short memories and will forget in 4 years. What the UAW should have done is set up their own Health care system and policed those providers that over charge. I got so mad at a local doctor that took out my sons tonsils. It was of course an outpatient procedure. 4 doctors sent bills to my Teamster's insurance. They had paid $5000 before I had a chance to stop them. How do 4 doctor's get their hand into a boy's mouth at the same time. A month later a friend in Anchorage had her son's tonsils removed and the total bill was $1200. We don't need the government involved we need to police the providers. We should question every bill they send to our insurance company. We are surrounded by crooks and the Congress is the worst of the lot. |
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