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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 4:21 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 08, 2009 5:34 pm) My main guess would be for the doctor to cover his a__ from a malpractice lawsuit, if they don't diagnose correctly. The suing lawyer would ask if an MRI was done and if it COULD have jelped, and if the doctor says no, then the doctor is in trouble. So if there is any doubt, the doctor is forced to do extra testing to protect himself. So costs increase the more we expect of doctors to be infallible. |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 08, 2009 5:34 pm) All of which seems to be pretty far afield from . . . . . . . the UAW.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2009 4:55 am) Thats true to an extent. However, managed care is where rates are agreed to. I'm sure that GM/UAW and others use managed care? So an operation which is billed at $21,000 is paid at $7,000. I've seen this first hand as a benefits coordinator and dealing with the managed care folks. However, the anesthesiologist was paid the full amount and didn't move off his/her price. Who knows whats going on? Some indigents can also work out a payment plan which is less than half the original charge. As older folks go into nursing homes, some start transferring assets to their children/relatives. They have to do it 3 years prior to transfer assets, Bush was trying to make it 5 years. If not a lien can be put on their residences. There is some merit to the health spending account, whereby your spending your own money and or money that you don't spend will be yours to do with what you want in the end. Don't confuse this with a flexible spending account which must be spent in that year. Bottom line is that using the emergency room as a clinic is wasteful and are many other practices in this nations health care industry. |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 08, 2009 5:34 pm) I have never been through one or even seen one. I would guess it is a tool to discover certain ailments. And a way to cover the doctor's behind. hardly a day goes by that someone I know has had an MRI. I guess if you really need the test it would be nice to get it in a reasonable time. Many forms of the cancer and tumors are detected with an MRI. Those are ailments that need quick attention many times. Waiting 10 to 12 weeks could be the difference between life and death. I can just hear the UAW retiree scream when the doctor says I think you have cancer. I won't know until we get the results from your MRI. I think the waiting list in your area is 12 weeks. Then we can schedule a specialist to look at the results and that will be another 18 weeks. I hear people upset when they have to wait a week to get results from the lab. For those that really believe in government provided health care need to research Oregon and Hawaii's universal health care. Doug Farrago comments on the failure of universal children's coverage in Hawaii, where the program was discontinued after 7 months. It's a good example of what would happen if health care was "free": Families that had private coverage were dropping it so they could get the free care as well. I don't think this experiment should be ignored. It really needs to be examined to see what went wrong and how Americans think. As physicians, we all want people to have the appropriate healthcare but it can be abused and just giving it away will bankrupt us all. The people of Hawaii have spoken and they have said that even if they have the money to pay for their doctor's visit or medication, they still would rather get it for free. The UAW members need to be freed from their entitlement mentality. |
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 08, 2009 3:22 pm) Anyone who thinks Honda/Toyota are great companies would have to agree with their "NO VALUE ADDED" mentality and oppose waste aka MUDA. Why aren't we running the health care system like all the business schools preach. Surely Toyota, the darling of the business schools for efficiently operated companies can be cited here, and as a prime examples of America being a special interest/lobby operated country and a far cry from economic rational. Treat the medical community ,AMA, as if it is sacred cow and the lowly UAW as a parasite on the society? Please bombard us with some logic and quit boot licking these folks for the simple reason that you think they are better/richer than yourself and therefore have your best interests in mind. Your going to have to be consistent if your reasoning/argument are to have any merit. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 5:45 pm) i was pointing out the most obvious reason why there are so many here in the states. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 5:45 pm) Again our friend mr Lumpy feels that GM and the UAW would be making money if we had free health care for every citizen. I think the UAW has built their members up to think they are worth more than they are. How is there any more skill involved in putting a tire and wheel on a new car vs doing the same procedure at the local Tire Rack? Yet the guy in the UAW protection program gets $30 per hour and the guy at the tire rack gets under $10 per hour. There is a HUGE disparity between pay for doing the same job across this great land. The UAW would rather bring GM to their knees in bankruptcy than to give a nickel from their senior members & retirees. They have no problem selling out the new guy. I say that is not a Union. That is a union divided, that will never survive.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 6:16 pm) I'm sure they are fair game for overuse.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 6:16 pm) That is what I have been saying all along... the UAW has forgotten why they were created and are now more like self-serving moneygrubbers who will destroy the USAs auto-industry. People are purchasing NON union-made cars *because* the UAW has forced the automakers to cheepen their products in order to pay for the outrageous UAW contracts. I fear that the UAW will discover too late what they have done and there may be no turning back at that point. If they were smart, the UAW would volintaraly move to help the automakers survive by offering up SIGNIFICANT changes in the contracts. Making all the pay-scales the same as NONunion autoworkers would be a great start. (...but a very small start compared to what NEEDS to happen) |
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