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lumpy canadian health care costs by lumoy
Jan 05, 2009 (8:33 pm)
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Among 25 countries that have comparable accounting systems in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in 2006, the latest year for which data are available, spending per person on health care remained highest in the United States (US$6,714). The U.S. was followed by Norway (US$4,520), Switzerland (US$4,311) and Luxembourg (US$4,303). Canada was in the top fifth of countries in terms of per person spending on health, spending US$3,678 per person, which was similar to seven other OECD countries, including France, Germany, the Netherlands and Austria. The lowest per capita expenditures were seen in Turkey (US$591) and Mexico (US$794).
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lumpy canada/us comparison by lumoy
Jan 05, 2009 (8:58 pm)
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my numbers were off on the usa/ canad comparison - old data from past speeches.
 
world heath organization ranks us health care system at 37th in the world . canada is 30th. almost of of socialist europe and even cuba ranks above usa.
 
canadian life expectancy is a remarkable 3 years ahead of ours.
in 2005 canada spent $3,128 per citizen or 9.8% of its GDP on health care. US spent most of anyone $6,401 or 15.3% of GDP.
 
don't forget we still don't have health care coverage for 46 million americans.
 
bring on that socialized medicine while i am still alive please!
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Re: I don't know about [marsha7] by manegi
Jan 05, 2009 (9:59 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jan 05, 2009 10:29 am)

but they "arrogantly" refused to design their cars with right hand drive..
 
I can vouch for this one - One of my friends had a Cadillac (bought new in late 80s), and he would have to put the car in Park, then slide over to pay express way / parking meter tolls
 
However, there was another - and in my mind, bigger - problem that the US companies did not address initially. This was the lack of a nationwide dealer / servicing network (a must, when competing with the domestics here) leading them to focus mostly on high end sales in big cities (where they ran up against the Germans). Compounded with the reliability issue at that time, it is easy to see why it did not work out. Nothing to do with the tariff barriers here (after the market was opened in the mid 80s).
 
At that time, the market was also opened for semiconductors and financial services. Intel, TI and the US investment banks went on to take large market shares, and one does not hear them complaining about the "protective barriers".
 
Not to say that Japan is as open as the US. There are tariff barriers on agricultural products, construction materials etc, but these are areas where Japan is not competitive internationally (hence the protection - though people like me would say it BECAUSE of it....).
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Re: UAW please [lumoy] by tlong
Jan 05, 2009 (10:43 pm)
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 05, 2009 11:51 am)

the international is the parent part of the UAW-- headquartered at solidarity house in detroit-
 
Thank you for the explanation.
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Re: lumpy [lumoy] by 62vetteefp
Jan 06, 2009 (4:00 am)
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 05, 2009 7:57 pm)

2007 national strike. This one was over the reducing of beni's and wages that GM needed to survive. Very expensive nation wide shutdown.
 
The United Auto Workers union launched a nationwide strike against General Motors on Monday as 73,000 UAW members walked off the job and hit the picket lines at the nation's largest automaker.
 
UAW President Ron Gettelfinger blasted GM management, saying that the company had not been willing to meet the union part way in negotiations.
 
"This is nothing we wanted," he said about the strike. "No one benefits in a strike. But there comes a point where someone can push you off a cliff. That's what happened here."
 
Company officials did not respond to Gettelfinger's comments, other than to say they were disappointed that the first national strike against the company in more than 37 years had been called, and that they hoped that an agreement to end the walkout could be reached soon.
 
Gettelfinger said at the midday press conference that the union is ready to discuss the company's key bargaining goal of shifting an estimated $51 billion in healthcare expenses for retirees and their family members to union-controlled trust funds. But he said that other issues had derailed hopes of an agreement.
 
The union president said he was looking for assurances from the company about the job security of UAW members. He said he wanted guarantees about how much GM would invest in U.S. plants and about how many new vehicles would be built in the United States.
 
The UAW has seen its membership at GM plummet by 70 percent since 1994, as the automaker dumped its parts unit and closed plants to try to align its production more in line with its shrinking U.S. market share.

 
Outcome of strike
 
A new labor contract was ratified by UAW members exactly one week after the tentative agreement was reached, passing by a majority 62% vote. In the contract are several product and employment guarantees stretching well into the next decade. One of GM's key future products, the Chevy Volt, was promised to the GM Poletown/Detroit-Hamtramck plant in 2010. Also included is a VEBA (Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association) which will transfer retiree health care obligations to the UAW by 2010. This eliminates more than 50 billion dollars from GM's healthcare tab. It will be funded by 30 billion in cash and 1.4 billion in GM stock paid to the UAW over the next 4 years of the contract. It also eliminates 70% of the labor cost gap with GM's Japanese rivals.
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2008 strike by 62vetteefp
Jan 06, 2009 (4:07 am)
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This strike had nothing to do with the rules at GM. A supplier to GM was on strike and the GM UAW shut down the 2 plants that were working at full production in order to force GM to force the supplier to meet the UAW demands. This strike cost GM almost $3 billion. Sure would like to have that money now.
 
General Motors workers who build the Chevrolet Malibu, one of G.M.’s most popular and important new vehicles, went on strike Monday at a plant in Kansas after they were unable to reach an agreement with the company on local work rules.
 
Union members walked a picket line outside the General Motors Fairfax Assembly plant in Fairfax, Kan., on Monday. The plant is one of two that make the redesigned Chevrolet Malibu.
 
It is the second strike by a United Automobile Workers local against G.M. this spring after a decade without any single-plant work stoppages. Workers at a plant that builds crossover vehicles, which are big sellers for G.M., near Lansing, Mich., have been on strike for nearly three weeks. Together, the plants employ about 4,500 people.
 
The two walkouts are in addition to a long strike at one of G.M.’s parts suppliers, American Axle and Manufacturing, which forced G.M. to close many of its truck and sport utility vehicle factories in March and April.
 
Though U.A.W. officials deny it, some labor experts say that the union is singling out critical G.M. plants for strikes in hopes that G.M. will prod American Axle to reach a deal with its workers.
 
“It’s very rare that you get strikes on issues like this,” Professor Chaison said. “They’re trying all ways possible to put pressure on American Axle, having found themselves at a disadvantageous position in that strike. They’re still showing that they’re a party that must be reckoned with, that they still have some influence and leverage in negotiations.”
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Re: I don't know about [manegi] by imidazol97
Jan 06, 2009 (4:29 am)
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Replying to: manegi (Jan 05, 2009 9:59 pm)

>Not to say that Japan is as open as the US. There are tariff barriers on agricultural products, construction materials etc, but these are areas where Japan is not competitive internationally (hence the protection -
 
That's exactly what the US should be doing.
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Re: lumpy [lumoy] by srs_49
Jan 06, 2009 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 05, 2009 7:57 pm)

Here's what I see as a worst case scenario for Detroit and the UAW.
 
GM and Chrysler go bankrupt (chapter 7 or 11).
 
Existing contacts are voided by the bankruptcy court. Salaries are reduced significantly.
 
Under the reorganization (if chapter 11), existing pension benefits are assumed by the Fed (PBGC). When this happens, promised pensions are severely reduced to match PBGC max benefits. Retiree health care benefits are eliminated and retirees go onto Medicare.
 
All this happened not too long ago to the US Steel Industry. What makes you thing the US auto industry(and it's workers) will come out any better?
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Re: lumpy [srs_49] by 62vetteefp
Jan 06, 2009 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: srs_49 (Jan 06, 2009 4:56 am)

GM's pensions are supposedly fully funded and the government has said if GM goes chapter 7/11 the funds would continue to pay the GM pensions. The US PBGC is already in trouble and wants to stay out of having to pay GM's beni's. Then again the government may take the money and reduce the GM pensions and keep the extra to help pay their own deficit. Retired salaried health care is already gone and hourly is right behind it. I believe that the one large concession that the UAW will have to give by March is to allow the deletion of health care for retirees w/o GM putting much into the VEBA fund. Perhaps the government will put $1 billion or so into it instead to appease the Union?
 
I am pretty sure the steel industries pension funds were severely underfunded.
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Re: lumpy [62vetteefp] by srs_49
Jan 06, 2009 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 06, 2009 5:05 am)

It would be interesting to know if the D3 pensions are really fully funded (in the sense that there is enough money in them to provide the promised pension benefits for the next 30 years or so if the D3's disappear tomorrow), whether they are just funded to the minimal accepted level as required by the govt, or something in between. Obviously, there's a big difference between the two.
 
I agree that the steel industries pension funds were severely underfunded, much to the dismay of their workers/retirees who thought they were in good shape.

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