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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 31, 2008 5:10 pm) |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 5:40 am) I thought we were discussing productivity difference between Japan and North America (and not within North America itself)...? The following report from McKinsey kind of hints at Japanese Auto industry workers having higher productivity than their US counterparts, but no clear data. (http://www.frbsf.org/economics/conferences/0511/4_IncreasingGlobalCompetition.p- df) My point was, there is no policy in Japan to treat US as a third world labor market. By the way, Chrysler may well be as productive as Toyota, but if the cost per unit of labor (and thus per unit of output) is higher, then ultimately it is at a disadvantage.
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Replying to: bpeebles (Dec 31, 2008 4:01 pm) Your right and from what I see that NASCAR race in Vegas is no longer the UAW sponsored. So they may have very well done started. All contracts expire. Just go ask your mortgage company and or the bank that totes your note to amend yours. Both parties must see it beneficial to them and either must breech. Then start again with a modern company and workforce which is trained in LEAN MANUFACTURING practices. Ten years ago while I was visiting auto manufacturers, they were doing the Lean Sigma Six and all the zen crap that goes along. So therefore you need to do research prior to making uninformed statements. Fact is that the Saturn was to be the noble experiment on employer/employee joint lean manufacturing. all of the business schools hold Toyota near and dear as the darling of the business schools. Industrial engineers, business majors, supply chain, and a host of other disciplines have and are involved in the Lean ideology. "Sorry guys.... we had a good run but the jig is up. It is time for EVERYONE to live in the same country under the same rules". Unfortunately the Lean ideas that American management excludes are the 15 times or so earnings is a max in CEO pay. That wasn't good enough for Lean here in America. Then too the employee is considered family and that employees family is also considered family. Everything else Japanese is better except those ideals which conflict with the fat cats money. So might I suggest that you do research and quit listening to the Americanize version of Lean. Ignorance has a cure, however, stupidity is terminal. I say let the current in-place laws work their magic (Chapter 11) and let all those union contracts get burned. Chapter seven would be the eventual outcome even if eleven was filed. This well could be a plot to avoid paying that legacy and or push it off on the taxpayers. With the pension legacy there is no way to compete with the transplants. I know the LTV conglomerate had a legal plan to push off the steel legacy pensions off on the PGBC/taxpayers, however, a federal judge ruled, while legal, this would entice other big corporation to do likewise. They were later sold in pieces by the trustee and the PGBC/taxpayers got the bill for most of the steels legacy. So the which is the lesser of the evils? Will they be sold in pieces? Who gets the piece with the legacy? Will they be allowed to keep the overseas plants out of the bankruptcy?
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Replying to: manegi (Dec 31, 2008 5:39 pm) Sorry, I was making a different point and not bias to any certain labor market. Just going off on tangents and or pontificate at times. The more competition and the more choice the better for the consumer. I might drive a Cadillac CTS, but would consider a 350Z, if the price was right. Then too the appearance of that two seater Lexus, if its rear wheel drive might look nice in my garage. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 31, 2008 3:56 pm) The only exception I see is the Green Bay Packers, the fans own them, I think. Then the new New York stadium might be owner funded. Next year you will see the billion dollar stadium built by taxpayers for the benefit of the Cowboys owner and his ego. |
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built at taxpayer expense are simply another crime going on for many years...every city wants a sports team that they think will bring money to the city...oftentimes, the stadium is built in the worst crime-ridden region of the city, in the hopes of bringing people down where they would NEVER go if they were sober...naturally, police are beefed up on the days of games, so the citizens feel protected... They always use the "jobs" angle to build the stadium, but just how many janitor and concession jobs does a stadium need, considering the build cost is in the hundreds of millions $$$, and a few people make money selling beer and hot dogs...meanwhile, the profits from the game and TV rights goes in the pockets of the teamowner... I have no problem with the teamowner becoming richer, but if he/she paid for the stadium and the increased police cost on game day, it would be a total private enterprise, none of my business...but if the city pays for the stadium, just so they can say "The XXX football/baseball team, Superbowl/World Series winner for three years in the last ten years, plays here in our city", that is stupid motivation...if the Braves/Falcons left Atlanta, the city would not suffer a bit, and traffic on game day would be more manageable...Back in the 60s/70s, in NYC, under Mayor John Lindsay, Yankee Stadium was rebuilt at the supposed cost of $100 million, but it ended up costing many times that...as a kid, I did go there a few times...the stadium, and a radius of about 100 yards around it were safe...kinda like Atlantic City...on one side of the border street, you feel safe as it looks secure and well lit...50 yards across the street is the biggest hell-hole that Earth has ever seen... And people keep clamoring for more new stadiums...stupid... P.S. Detroit Stadium, same thing...worst slum part of the city, but Tom Monahan (Domino's Pizza owner) wanted a stadium, so he got one, all at taxpayer expense...someone needs to have the testosterone to look at the team owner and say...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...and let them take the team elsewhere...or pay for the new stadium themselves... Sports rant over... In Detroit, I am also sure that many of the Tigers fans drive there in the ZBig 3 cars, made, sadly, by the UAW and their overpaid, underskilled workers...
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 6:49 pm) I work for one of the largest companies on the planet which incorporated in the state of New York on June 16, 1911. (But started in 1888) The company I work for is NOT in the news asking for handounts and instead has several billion in the bank... thanks in a large part to management making the tough decesions 10 years ago and putting us on a winning path. We also do NOT having unions to mess with the employee-management relationship. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the employees where I work, while sitting next to management in classes, are learning the intricicies of LEAN. LEAN has been proven many times over to work when applied properly. It is part of every employees job to take some kind of LEAN class every year. I *trust* that the management in my company is doing the right thing for all of us. (I wonder if GM or FORD employees would say that?) I am not paid based soley on how long I have been employeed... instead, I am paid based on my SKILL, FLEXABILITY and VALUE TO THE COMPANY. I understand that union workers get more pay just by showing up to work for enough years... this is a STUPID way to run a company and is destined to fail. Eventually the company will be paying people more to retire than to make products.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 31, 2008 7:40 pm) when you write 'detroit stadium', you lose anyone who has any knowledge of the detroit area. your post becomes just another personal rant. it doesn't really help you make that point i already forgot about. the baseball park is Comerica Park. the football stadium is Ford Field. Comerica Park is pretty nice and the area around it has been upgraded too. Ford Field is pretty much across the street. comerica park
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 6:49 pm) If as you say the GM Pension fund is vested the tax payers will not owe the retirees anything. The health care promised is not part of the insured pension under the ERISA program. Bottom line is GM goes broke the under 65 retirees will have to get their own health care program. Just as it should be. The GM/UAW health care Ponzi scheme should have been dealt with as an illegal scam. GM is not the Federal Government that is allowed to spend money it does not have.
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Replying to: bpeebles (Dec 31, 2008 7:54 pm) do you still have deer jumping through the windows up where you work? 
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