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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 31, 2008 1:16 pm) No, they agreed to it, I believe that all of the Big Three agreed to it. Its a moot point which of the Big Three went along. No one twisted their arm and or held a gun to their head. I'm certain that they got something in return for it, as thats how negotiations go. Besides its good PR and both parties left the table with something they felt better off with. It is designed to hire more people so that people can be home with their families. Doing the quality family time thing. Then maybe, the $100,000 (base pay plus overtime pay) of sticker shock, you have, about the typical UAW rank and file would therefore be a non issue. Ain't family values great? If you feel that you can do better in negotiations and or that GM is a sucker. They have dealerships all over. Go on, take advantage of them. While your there pick me up a CTS for $10,000.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 31, 2008 12:55 pm) Thats just not true. Both sides lose in the strike situation. Did workers not have economic losses? $200 needs to be deducted from the weekly earnings to determine the economic lost to the UAW rank and file. The rank and file are the UAW. Typically the locals rank and file vote to strike and or vote to ratify a contract and or reject a contract, thus sending both parties back to the table, in which case they might be working without a contract, then typically the old contract is in effect. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 31, 2008 12:34 pm) Any, I repeat, any UAW member can use the Black Lake Michigan golf course. If time permits, regular folks, even you can use it too. Its a public golf course. Do you want me to get you a tee time? http://www.blacklakegolf.com/more-about-the-course-7/
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 1:36 pm) There is no doubt in my mind that I could negotiate better from either side of the table. Then I would not have pushed GM or the other automakers into the mess they are in now. That was just plain stupidity on the part of Wagoner. The board was asleep and let him sell the company down the river. If he had any brains he would have locked out the UAW in 1998 and they would be history. Move the plants to states or countries with people willing to work and not whine every time they have to lift a finger. Why would I even consider doing anything like that now? I am sitting here looking out at my flower garden. There is a species of Wren I am trying to ID. He is eating earwigs and other bugs. I have the satisfaction of knowing that the contracts I was part of negotiating did not run our company into bankruptcy. The same cannot be said of Gettlefinger and his horde of thugs. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 1:52 pm) Anyone that can afford $85 for 18 holes is making too much money. Those are close to Hawaii rates. $60 for a retiree, oh they must have some kind of gold plated retirement. UAW members need to come back to reality, if they can afford that sport. I thought my brother was crazy paying $45 to play that silly game.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 31, 2008 1:58 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 2:16 pm) Not really. If they are like the Chargers and Padres in San Diego the tax payers have BAILED them out with New stadiums and buying empty seats. Another subject I get really upset about. Pro Sports raping US cities. In our case by the time we voted the mayor out she had already wasted the money. And we still do not have the new library that was supposed to be part of the deal.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 31, 2008 1:36 pm) "No, they agreed to it, I believe that all of the Big Three agreed to it." NO KIDDING!! All of the contracts were "Agreed to" at one point or another. This does not mean these agreements should be inplace forever. The current situation is that most of us who are employeed without a union have been paying thru the nose for healthcare, low/no pay increases...etc for over 10 years... NOW THE UNIONITES NEED TO SUFFFER THE SAME AS THE REST OF US! Instead, the folks who have retired from the UAW are living the high-life as long as the cost of gasoline stays low. It is time to say "Sorry guys.... we had a good run but the jig is up. It is time for EVERYONE to live in the same country under the same rules". You also said ==> "It is designed to hire more people so that people can be home with their families." This is a bunch of cr  p. If you have to go to work to earn a wage...so be it. Sure it would be *nice* to have UAW amenities... but not if the alternative is driving a multi-billion company into the ground, common sense says this is not an option. I have worked many creative shifts that do not pay overtime. *)10DaysOn/4DaysOff (still a 40 hour week in 2-week period) *)12Hour x 3 days + 12Hours 2 days (still a 80-hours a month) Like I said originally, the other option was NO JOB AT ALL and everyone at the plant worked these shifts becaue we all knew this was our way of keeping the company making money. No one "striked" and the unions still have not been able to get into our plant (thank God!) BOTTOM LINE: I say let the current in-place laws work their magic (Chapter 11) and let all those union contracts get burned. Then start again with a modern company and workforce which is trained in LEAN MANUFACTURING practices.
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Replying to: bpeebles (Dec 31, 2008 4:01 pm)
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