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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 30, 2008 11:07 am) I never said it's all UAW. What I I have a problem with is refusal to acknowledge any problem on part of the labor organizations. I simply protest "iIt's all the Wall Street/country club fat cat crowd to blame and Gettelfinger is practically a saint for fighting for our free Viagra prescriptions" attitudes.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 30, 2008 10:41 am) I'm doing my part buying UTW (United Tobacco Workers) SC-grown tobacco products.  Maybe the SC government needs to give these people a stake - to give each unemployed person 10 acres, a leftover FEMA trailer, some seed, and a book on how to farm.
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 30, 2008 10:55 am) That by definition is the CEO. So tell me why the CEO earns more? Then tell me why the CEO's in America earn more worldwide? Then tell me if you would like to be a rank and file union member or a CEO?
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 30, 2008 11:24 am) I've always wondered, if they don't want people smoking/dipping in certain cities. Why do those same cities allow the sale of tobacco products? Then if they got everyone to quit, how would they replace those tobacco taxes? |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 30, 2008 9:52 am) Funny that Japan/Germany/Korea think of America as a third world country with labor markets to be exploited. Walmart, got the message when they saw themselves in the courts. Their actions may have been tolerated in some other countries, but the legal system has them shaking here. Outsource them Walmart jobs! Its only a matter of time for the rebirth of unionism/UAW. Newton's third law of motion has just happened and come 01-20-09 your jaw is going to drop. Just remember how far and how long to the right we were. Just as soon as the masses learned to read they had to invent public relations/spin. Did big business want everyone to read? Now they have consolidated the media and have many a country bumpkin snowed. When will you see that the CEO is but a human as yourself and that these aristocrats don't have your best interests in mind. If it was as you say there would be no UAW cars on the streets and these brilliant CEO's wouldn't be begging for welfare. Maybe their stupidity comes from inbreeding within the same ole country club crowd? |
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 30, 2008 11:22 am) The lost decade! How long was Japans recession/depression? How much debt did their govt take on due to their superior lean manufacturing? As we go does the world. So they lost ten years and are going to take another beating? Maybe they can have a kaizen event and make it all go away. Or maybe if they close their eyes and click their heels three times the good times will be back. The package, which may be in place as early as March, bears the hallmarks of Japan's last big bank bail-out between the late 1990s and 2005, when the government spent billions of yen on bad loans to keep the country's banking system afloat. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/30/japan-banks-recession |
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More poppycock using faulty reasoning and ignoring the fact that Ford and GM were on their to restructuring their businesses over the last 7 years until the grossly overpaid gurus in the financial and banking sectors caused the credit crunch. Don't start with old Detroit auto companies and the "deep south" crap. The REAL outrage is the financial sector ( Like AIG, etc) that continues to reward it's hot dog gurus with outrageous bonuses and salaries and no questions asked for $150- $350 - $700 - $800 BILLION. Yes, the "Big Three" could have tried to anticipate the market and get workers to work for less, and yada-yada-yada sooner. But what about the grossly overpaid financial guys at Freddie, Fannie, Lehman Bros. , etc who went bust and got Hundreds of BILLIONS with hardly a question and no congressional 3rd degree. This auto thing is more of a smoke screen to confuse and draw attention away from the greed, stupidity, and irresponsibility of the financial world, and the good old boys in congress who just had to help out those buddies! Go back to school. Everything you learned about business and finance was bogus and designed to let run away greed happen like it just did in the financial sector. Derivatives, credit default swaps, what a bunch of rip off BS! In the end your reasoning only factors unemployment and silly little issues. Restructuring and offering early retirement for years now. All the while there the legacy issue and four letters which will cost the American taxpayer a Cadillac each. Thats PGBC and it most certainly ups the ante to those on the fools errand of doing away with Detroit automakers.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 30, 2008 10:41 am) Yesterday you did great on the CEO job hopping. Today you have an interesting observation as well. I envy your abilities. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 30, 2008 6:32 pm) Would you prefer that these countries not have any North American manufacturing presence? Would you rather see all imports built in their respective countries of origin? Newton's third law of motion has just happened and come 01-20-09 your jaw is going to drop. I'm not sure what you're expecting from Obama. I think that he'll govern from the center because that's what smart Democrats do if they want to be re-elected. He's a sharp, savvy politician, & he'll do his best to avoid Bill Clinton's fate in 1994: a Republican Congressional landslide halfway through Clinton's 1st term. My hunch is that the loudest complaints against the Obama administration will come not from right-wing Republicans but from left-wing Democrats unhappy about Obama's middle-of-the road economic policies. Many of these critics will be the same lefties who called Bill Clinton a pseudo-Republican back in 1995-96. But that didn't bother Clinton, who went on to become the 1st Democratic President in 50 years to serve 2 full terms, & Obama won't let it bother him either. We'll just have to wait & see what happens.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 30, 2008 7:50 pm) You shouldn't put too much weight on that argument - particularly when you're talking about GM. Even without the credit crunch, GM would have been in deep doo-doo because its product mix was vulnerable to high fuel prices. Gas prices bottomed out in early 1999 & began rising later that year. By 2000, gas prices were already high enough to be an issue in that year's Democratic primary; facing a challenge from Bill Bradley, VP Al Gore wanted President Clinton to bring prices down by releasing oil from the strategic reserve. In short, no auto industry decision-maker should have been surprised by the disappearance of cheap gas.
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