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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 30, 2008 9:19 am) This sums up the problem of the UAW in a nutshell. The UAW worries only about themselves - the easiest possible work with the highest possible compensation. The UAW views the company's health as a management problem. At most non-union companies and many unionized companies, all of the employees see their part in the success of the company.
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 30, 2008 10:37 am) Unfortunately the Toyota/Honda darlings of the business schools aren't doing too well either. As the prevailing wages go in any given area, the transplants must compete with the local wages, the non union folks get a boost to their pay due to there being competing market forces out there seeking labor too. You have to be aware that the UAW has on many occasions made concessions. The two tier wage scale, the early retirements, and others to make GM more competitive. At some point management has to fess up to their transgressions. Just because your from some elite country club lineage doesn't mean you have the skills and or ability to run a major corporation. Besides, the six sigma/lean mentality has been in the Big Three for years now. The Toyota/Honda executives are bailing by the day as they see the CEO orgy going on in this nation. Perhaps not on tellers, but on those mortgage officers who would tell people to lie on their applications to get approved - yeah, I would. Some history from the past. Deregulate and they will come, supply side, Reagan Legacy. As if the S&L didn't teach us anything. This will go down in history as ENRON era. One could write an entire book on these con artist impersonating capitalist. Imagine a billion dollar stadium built by taxpayer for an egotistical owner of the Cowboys. Perhaps you would like to get one of those valet parking, fast food cook, or any of the small wage jobs. These jobs will tax the county social services, just as the Walmart jobs cost $2000 per employee in social services. Where are the savings? Its a hidden cost, just as are those super toxic dumps of years ago.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 30, 2008 11:07 am) I never said it's all UAW. What I I have a problem with is refusal to acknowledge any problem on part of the labor organizations. I simply protest "iIt's all the Wall Street/country club fat cat crowd to blame and Gettelfinger is practically a saint for fighting for our free Viagra prescriptions" attitudes.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 30, 2008 10:41 am) I'm doing my part buying UTW (United Tobacco Workers) SC-grown tobacco products.  Maybe the SC government needs to give these people a stake - to give each unemployed person 10 acres, a leftover FEMA trailer, some seed, and a book on how to farm.
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 30, 2008 10:55 am) That by definition is the CEO. So tell me why the CEO earns more? Then tell me why the CEO's in America earn more worldwide? Then tell me if you would like to be a rank and file union member or a CEO?
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 30, 2008 11:24 am) I've always wondered, if they don't want people smoking/dipping in certain cities. Why do those same cities allow the sale of tobacco products? Then if they got everyone to quit, how would they replace those tobacco taxes? |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 30, 2008 9:52 am) Funny that Japan/Germany/Korea think of America as a third world country with labor markets to be exploited. Walmart, got the message when they saw themselves in the courts. Their actions may have been tolerated in some other countries, but the legal system has them shaking here. Outsource them Walmart jobs! Its only a matter of time for the rebirth of unionism/UAW. Newton's third law of motion has just happened and come 01-20-09 your jaw is going to drop. Just remember how far and how long to the right we were. Just as soon as the masses learned to read they had to invent public relations/spin. Did big business want everyone to read? Now they have consolidated the media and have many a country bumpkin snowed. When will you see that the CEO is but a human as yourself and that these aristocrats don't have your best interests in mind. If it was as you say there would be no UAW cars on the streets and these brilliant CEO's wouldn't be begging for welfare. Maybe their stupidity comes from inbreeding within the same ole country club crowd? |
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 30, 2008 11:22 am) The lost decade! How long was Japans recession/depression? How much debt did their govt take on due to their superior lean manufacturing? As we go does the world. So they lost ten years and are going to take another beating? Maybe they can have a kaizen event and make it all go away. Or maybe if they close their eyes and click their heels three times the good times will be back. The package, which may be in place as early as March, bears the hallmarks of Japan's last big bank bail-out between the late 1990s and 2005, when the government spent billions of yen on bad loans to keep the country's banking system afloat. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/30/japan-banks-recession |
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More poppycock using faulty reasoning and ignoring the fact that Ford and GM were on their to restructuring their businesses over the last 7 years until the grossly overpaid gurus in the financial and banking sectors caused the credit crunch. Don't start with old Detroit auto companies and the "deep south" crap. The REAL outrage is the financial sector ( Like AIG, etc) that continues to reward it's hot dog gurus with outrageous bonuses and salaries and no questions asked for $150- $350 - $700 - $800 BILLION. Yes, the "Big Three" could have tried to anticipate the market and get workers to work for less, and yada-yada-yada sooner. But what about the grossly overpaid financial guys at Freddie, Fannie, Lehman Bros. , etc who went bust and got Hundreds of BILLIONS with hardly a question and no congressional 3rd degree. This auto thing is more of a smoke screen to confuse and draw attention away from the greed, stupidity, and irresponsibility of the financial world, and the good old boys in congress who just had to help out those buddies! Go back to school. Everything you learned about business and finance was bogus and designed to let run away greed happen like it just did in the financial sector. Derivatives, credit default swaps, what a bunch of rip off BS! In the end your reasoning only factors unemployment and silly little issues. Restructuring and offering early retirement for years now. All the while there the legacy issue and four letters which will cost the American taxpayer a Cadillac each. Thats PGBC and it most certainly ups the ante to those on the fools errand of doing away with Detroit automakers.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 30, 2008 10:41 am) Yesterday you did great on the CEO job hopping. Today you have an interesting observation as well. I envy your abilities. |
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