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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 29, 2008 2:10 pm) You failed to mention, child labor. Is that legal also? Then are crimes against the environment legal? Whats the statute of limitation on environmental crimes in America? I'm all for perfect competition. Unfortunately that just something for the text books. At the moment you have every industry represented in Washington. Each seeking advantage and special treatment. Why does Japan have a lobby group in Washington? Then those people who supposedly care about our health and well being, are anything but. Its no secret that the AMA, large pharmaceutical giants, managed care, and many more are more interested in money and not as concern with health care in America. If health care is the problem. Fix it. Is that not a reasonable expectation, to level this playing field, which is often cited as an out of control concern by every major corporation, partnership, and small business. So, its as if we have to fight the competition with one hand tied behind our back to boot. WWII was won by the "Rosie the riveter" going into the once off limits factory. How ever will we be able to build a war machine, God forbid, if all of our manufacturing base is shipped overseas? If these large corporations couldn't see beyond the sub prime mess, they are thinking in the short term. Blinded by greed they are anything but patriotic and don't look past the fiscal year. What was wrong with their thinking process? There is a reasonable argument that govt has a role in this globalization craze. Enough with the large multi nationals calling the shots. If China, with their one fifth of the future consumers, tells a corporation to jump. They don't just reply how high, but rather was that high enough? Its no secret that rocket secrets were given/sold to China. Secrets which now allow them launch satellites in addition to missiles into our country. Was that GM/Hughes/Loral? Its absurd to think that we are all going to become happy capitalist and go on our way. Bottom-line is that we are trading with the communist and they have the stick as multi nationals follow that carrot. This all reminds me of when Mexico supported NAFTA. Once they saw the factories moving to China, they did a one eighty. The comparative advantage is fine and dandy, but only when its done in a slow methodical planned way. Can we think of any auto maker who saw and or did something about this global economic meltdown coming?
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 29, 2008 7:10 pm) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 29, 2008 6:40 pm) All part of the same D3. You know if one goes they all go is the story circulating. What happened to the guy from Toyota? I cannot keep track of all these over paid suits in the auto industry.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 29, 2008 7:14 pm) Health care cost has been rising higher faster than just about any part of our society. That was a campaign issue with Bill Clinton. May have gotten him elected. He had a Democrat controlled Congress and appointed Hillary to get universal Health Care done. Nothing happened then and nothing will happen now. No government in the world can afford the kind of health care people in the USA are wanting. We have as good as what Canada offers if not better. I know women that have had children on our nickel that get just as good a care as those with fully paid health coverage. Blinded by greed they are anything but patriotic and don't look past the fiscal year. What was wrong with their thinking process? Being blinded by greed is not just for the people on the top. It goes to the bottom of the human food chain. When one homeless guy steals another guys corner, it is based on greed. Some are just better equipped to parlay their persona into those lucrative positions. Then some of us are just fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. You have to be willing to go where your skills are needed. I just happened to have my resume on file with RCA White Alice in Alaska. When they called I said sure. I quit a good job with Pacific Telephone and took a leap of faith. It paid off. If the people in the UAW are set in Michigan or Ohio or Indiana and will not leave. Well they may be losing a chance at financial security that is not offered there. Iluv has given a great example of what is needed when a good job is lost. The smart UAW people are already looking elsewhere for employment. 26 weeks of unemployment runs out fast. With bankruptcy and NO JOBS Bank. The gravy train will leave the station with no seats for UAW members.
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comes under tariffs or simply a restriction on imported steel "If tariffs don't work, why did we institute tariffs on incoming steel a few years back to try and save our domestic steel industry? Instead of lowering our standard of living, perhaps we should hope to raise everyone's standard to a higher level?" Back in the Reagan years, they either placed a tariff on imported steel or simply restricted it...economic analysis, with an admittedly conservative leaning, stated that for every $30,000 steelworker job we "saved" or "protected" the economic cost was actually $180,000 per job...so, if true, (don't ask me for cites, gagrice always finds the cites I need), the "nice" part is the steelworker keeping his job, but the cost to everyone else was enormous... Every time we try and protect someone losing their job thru capitalism (including better technology, better productivity, someone else doing it cheaper, etc) it probably costs everyone lese more in the long run...while it may be hard on the displaced worker, maintaining theior staus quo simply to minimize their psychological stress will always cost us more... Let the UAW shrink, as we simply do not want to buy all the cars they can force the Big 3 to make, and let the automakers shrink so they can be leaner and meaner...it is what will happen over time, anyway, as their market share drops, but the billions we spend pretending nothing will change is money wasted just to keep a UAW vote for the Democrats...
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gagrice, that is my point. They have a chance to take a lemon(GM, UAW, Chrysler) and make lemonade out of it. Look in to the Trade Act or TRA(Trade Readjustment Act)and see if you can make it happen. If you can make your bills where you go to school(for me it was the Ozarks of Missouri, Rolla being the small town of 25,000)then you can afford to be on U.I. while you go to school. The more I thought about The Trade Act the more sense it made. But I couldn't live anymore in expensive western Washington state. I had to move someplace where rents were about 1/3rd of what they were in the Evergreen State. Mid-Missouri fits that bill perfectly. Now, my wife and I also had to sell our 3BD, 1BA house in Burlington, WA, to help make our plan work. We got a great Windermere agent and a temporary cell phone plan, sold or gave away most of our belongings, got a 4' X '8 utility trailer, had a hitch installed, and filled the trailer with everything we still wanted to take to mid-MO. Off we went in late May of 2003 for the beautiful Ozarks. We were tied to our Burlington, WA, house's mortgage payments. We were truly making a dream out for ourselves and setting out to make it work. Oh, it would work out all right. You're right, it had to work out. The Burlington, WA, house sold in only 3 weeks! We got out of even having to pay one more mortgage payment! The sale was worked out through cell phone conversation and fax machine submittals. To sell that house meant so much to us. We were no longer tethered to anything in Washington state. Except my family, they were still there in western Washington. That was tough, besides the tough school regimen that would start up in mid-August 2003, leaving my Dad and Mom and three sisters was not easy. It would take a long flight or drive to see them again. I am so glad I decided to take up the Boeing Company's and Fed.Guv-Mint's offer of re-training through The Trade Act. I encourage any of you worrying you'll lose your job in the automotive industry to consider The Trade Act. Your work will be going to school as The Trade Act will pay you weekly U.I. benefits if you keep up a 'C' average in your degree program. Do it! The payoff is immensely satisfying. It's hard work going to college and getting a degree but if I skipped it I'd never know the satisfaction of enjoying the payoff of persistence. Go for it! At least start looking in to what is required and what will be needed to enroll. It is a legitimate way out of a crisis. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 29, 2008 7:27 pm) Jim Press is still at Chrysler, but two other execs are leaving: Two recent high-profile Chrysler hires, now departing
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 29, 2008 7:48 pm) “Public plans like Medicare do a better job of controlling costs,” Mr. Kirsch said. “Private insurers are always looking for ways to avoid paying claims or covering sick people. Their mission is not to provide health care, but to increase shareholders’ profits.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/us/politics/17health.html It goes to the bottom of the human food chain. Worry not, Obama is the tide of change. There is a new sheriff in town. The UAW supported him and he will come to their aid.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 29, 2008 8:33 pm)  Wonder how he will handle the UAW.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 29, 2008 8:18 pm) ------------------------------- WTO has predicted that China's share of the world market in textiles and apparel will jump to 50 percent in 2007 from 17 percent in 2003 solely due to their lowly dumping strategies. http://seoul.usembassy.gov/9_mar_05.html China Dumping in Manufacturing Industries ----------------------------------- http://www.manufacturing.gov/news/033007_CVD.asp China Dumping Silicon ------------------------------ Court rejects China silicon appeal - anti-dumping case http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3MKT/is_n72_v100/ai_12132825 Finally - China the Anti Social ----------------------------------- I am not even sure if the west will believe the below allegation I have personally heard these reports and have seen proof before reporting it. Chinese hire men (mostly Nepalese and Bangladeshis) to drive a cycle loaded with cheap Chinese merchandise into Nepal, India and Bangladesh to sell sub standard merchandize that directly affects retailers daily in scores on thousands. This might sound really trivial but it is not to those hundreds closing their shutters down due to this incorrigible, shameful act. Don’t bother reporting it to the Chinese government, they endorse it.
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