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Re: Wonder what... [dallasdude1] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 29, 2008 8:24 am)

These days, thats better than sex. Well almost.
 
LOL!
 
Back to UAW, we speak of tariffs. In the 1980's we imposed voluntary import quotas on the Japanese. But the buying public still wanted the cars. So the J3 upped the size and content of their cars since they could not import more units. This opened up the market of larger more expensive vehicles to the J3. Not the effect that anybody (including UAW) intended. This was an example of where a protectionist attempt backfired on the D3. The best competition would be outstanding products that the consumers want to buy.
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 8:52 am)

And what do you think the Golden Parachute is for GM execs?
 
We don't know since they same characters have been in charge for so many years. Perhaps we should find out? I'll nominate Wagoner!
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Re: Wonder what... [tlong] by 62vetteefp
Dec 29, 2008 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 29, 2008 10:54 am)

A number of execs have left Chrysler. I hav heard nothing about golden parachutes. Would we not have heard or does the auto industry do something different than other business's?
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by dieselone
Dec 29, 2008 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 11:48 am)

I would think any type of lucrative exit packages for execs would be if the company asks/forces them to leave. If it's voluntary I'd think they'd only be entitled to any previously vested assets.
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by kernick
Dec 29, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 11:48 am)

I hav heard nothing about golden parachutes.
 
Why would you hear? Chrysler is a privately owned company now, and does not have to make ANY financial information public. They report to the IRS only. GM and Ford are public and must make financial statements public.
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Re: To be completely honest [dallasdude1] by chikoo
Dec 29, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 27, 2008 8:15 pm)

that is a good read....thanks dallasdude. However, as to the product it produces, it certainly is not critical for GM. It sure is critical as an experiment, however, in labor relations.
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [dino001] by chikoo
Dec 29, 2008 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 29, 2008 6:09 am)

>What stays? Jobs that no one else can do, like highly specialized manufacturing at competitive price.
 
The biggest folly of the capitalist market has been to share all secrets to everybody in the world in the hopes that somebody can make it cheaper and they can sell it for more profit. So what is specialized now? nothing?
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [chikoo] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 29, 2008 1:10 pm)

The biggest folly of the capitalist market has been to share all secrets to everybody in the world in the hopes that somebody can make it cheaper and they can sell it for more profit. So what is specialized now? nothing?
 
I'll bet that GM has been teaching the Chinese to make Buicks.
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [chikoo] by dino001
Dec 29, 2008 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 29, 2008 1:10 pm)

If that were true, what makes you think people here deserve more than those living somewhere else who can do the same job for less? Who are we to deny them that opportunity? The basic idea of a capitalism is that through a constant threat that somebody else can legally come up with ways of doing it faster, better, cheaper we are forced to stay alert and better ourselves. Using presidential expressions, those who don't can cling into their illusions and what not, blame others, but it's not going to solve anything.
 
There is plenty of specialized technologies that can't be done by others: aerospace, heavy machinery, biotech just to name a few. Doesn't mean they'll never go somewhere else or parts of these processes haven't already gone.
 
Nothing is given forever - marketshare, profits, jobs, lifestyle. We may not like it, but it's a basic fact of life. Some will try to "preserve way of life" by tariffs, trade barriers. All they'll achieve is initial slowdown of the process followed by explosive acceleration at any opening). It's like soda pop. You can cork it and shake it, but one day is has to get open.
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [dino001] by gagrice
Dec 29, 2008 (4:15 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 29, 2008 2:10 pm)

Nothing is given forever - marketshare, profits, jobs, lifestyle.
 
For some reason the UAW implants into the community some sense of "god given right". My daddy made $100,000 per year making buggy whips. I should be entitled to the same living. There is a difference between the "Pursuit of Happiness" and the "Right to Happiness". I am sure it is tough on the 21 year old that is lucky enough to get one of the UAW jobs that now pays $15 per hour. I am sure he is not thrilled that some 55 year old dude next to him is knocking down $30 per hour and has a retirement in the near future. The young UAW worker can thank Gettlefinger and the old hands for selling him down the river. They would rather he live in the ghetto. Than for them to give up any of their wages or benefits. That is the reality of the Team spirit in the UAW. The new guys would be better off working for a Non Union auto maker where they have some chance of working their way up to the top wage.

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