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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [dallasdude1] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 28, 2008 8:52 pm)

Unfortunately, the business schools are teaching the no value added concept. So where do you think these folks in banks and Wall Street add value?
 
Agree with much of what you say. However, the need for capital and loans *is* value added and greases the entire economy. Problem is that most of the other stuff in the financial industry is smoke and mirrors that add no value. But the fundamental workings of a banking system (that could collapse due to the other crap) are critical to our entire society - more so than Circuit City, Mervyn's, or the D3. So a case can be made that the bailout of the banking industry is more important than other companies and industries.
 
I just wish they'd put the heads of these financial institutions on trial, and make some massive regulatory reform. I thought Sarbanes-Oxley was supposed to prevent misstatements of financial conditions in a company?
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [gagrice] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 29, 2008 6:33 am)

The UAW and GM made promises they cannot keep and compete. Choices will have to be made. Do we feed the retirees to the lions or cut our wages in half to take care of the past workers. $25 per hour needs to be eliminated from the UAW contracts with GM and its UAW suppliers. Who is going to give up something? Or would the UAW rather go down in flames than give anything up?
 
Excellent statement. The UAW and GM want it all, but that isn't going to happen. Which item is going to give? They should decide or the market will decide it for them.
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Re: Wonder what... [dallasdude1] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 29, 2008 8:24 am)

These days, thats better than sex. Well almost.
 
LOL!
 
Back to UAW, we speak of tariffs. In the 1980's we imposed voluntary import quotas on the Japanese. But the buying public still wanted the cars. So the J3 upped the size and content of their cars since they could not import more units. This opened up the market of larger more expensive vehicles to the J3. Not the effect that anybody (including UAW) intended. This was an example of where a protectionist attempt backfired on the D3. The best competition would be outstanding products that the consumers want to buy.
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 8:52 am)

And what do you think the Golden Parachute is for GM execs?
 
We don't know since they same characters have been in charge for so many years. Perhaps we should find out? I'll nominate Wagoner!
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Re: Wonder what... [tlong] by 62vetteefp
Dec 29, 2008 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 29, 2008 10:54 am)

A number of execs have left Chrysler. I hav heard nothing about golden parachutes. Would we not have heard or does the auto industry do something different than other business's?
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by dieselone
Dec 29, 2008 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 11:48 am)

I would think any type of lucrative exit packages for execs would be if the company asks/forces them to leave. If it's voluntary I'd think they'd only be entitled to any previously vested assets.
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by kernick
Dec 29, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 11:48 am)

I hav heard nothing about golden parachutes.
 
Why would you hear? Chrysler is a privately owned company now, and does not have to make ANY financial information public. They report to the IRS only. GM and Ford are public and must make financial statements public.
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Re: To be completely honest [dallasdude1] by chikoo
Dec 29, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 27, 2008 8:15 pm)

that is a good read....thanks dallasdude. However, as to the product it produces, it certainly is not critical for GM. It sure is critical as an experiment, however, in labor relations.
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [dino001] by chikoo
Dec 29, 2008 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 29, 2008 6:09 am)

>What stays? Jobs that no one else can do, like highly specialized manufacturing at competitive price.
 
The biggest folly of the capitalist market has been to share all secrets to everybody in the world in the hopes that somebody can make it cheaper and they can sell it for more profit. So what is specialized now? nothing?
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [chikoo] by tlong
Dec 29, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 29, 2008 1:10 pm)

The biggest folly of the capitalist market has been to share all secrets to everybody in the world in the hopes that somebody can make it cheaper and they can sell it for more profit. So what is specialized now? nothing?
 
I'll bet that GM has been teaching the Chinese to make Buicks.

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