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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [tlong] by dallasdude1
Dec 28, 2008 (8:17 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 28, 2008 11:33 am)

My oldest gets out in May. He has already found work. A Chem E is worth about $80,000 to the energy indusrty at the moment. I convinced him to take less and work for one of the best companies to launch a career. He interned all three years during the summers. However, he will have to be trained as would any other college grad. We have dozens (young engineers) running around, they are extremely bright and catch on fast.
 
There many kids, who change majors in their first year. Most likely due to the demands of math or science classes. These often go into the business and or some liberal arts. I'm aware of the decline in science, engineering, and technology students.
 
While the center believes that most December business grads will be in good shape, it's the upcoming seniors they're thinking of.
 
"It's the May grads that I'm worried about and the May of 2010 grads that I think will really get hit hard by what's happening in the economy," said Schroeder.

 
http://www.channel3000.com/education/18276801/detail.html
 
Fourth-year Ashwin Nirmalkumar already knows where he will be working next year. After interning as a summer analyst at Merrill Lynch, he was offered a full-time position for 2009 as an investor banking analyst, complete with benefits and a competitive salary.
 
His greatest fear is that his offer may not stand.

 
http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2008/oct/02/students-job-prospects-finance-negat- ively-affected/
 
“It’s a very predictable and reliable pattern,” said Stacey Kole, deputy dean for the full-time M.B.A. program at the University of Chicago’s Graduate School of Business. “When there’s a go-go economy, fewer people decide to go back to school. When things go south, the opportunity cost of leaving work is lower.”
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/business/07SCHOOL.html
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Re: Wonder what... [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Dec 28, 2008 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 28, 2008 7:52 pm)

I spend more than enough time in front of this computer debating the UAW.
 
My computer is on my TV, so is my music, and video games too. I can flip back and forth and even use the phone sometimes. If it wasn't for eating, work, and the gym.......I'd never leave the media room
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [tlong] by dallasdude1
Dec 28, 2008 (8:52 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 28, 2008 11:40 am)

One point of view would argue that while the financial sector is the *grease* that lubricates our entire economy,
 
Unfortunately, the business schools are teaching the no value added concept. So where do you think these folks in banks and Wall Street add value? I'm certain that in the future more business will be done online. Realtors, car sales, banking/investment, the mail, news papers and many other industries will evolve to be more efficient.
 
Sound financial advise is one thing. The growth in exchange traded funds also presents a challenge for the fund industry. These non-traditional funds, with names like SPDRs, WEBs and DIAMONDS, have obtained relief from the commission to facilitate secondary market trading in their shares. These funds have enjoyed tremendous growth. Broker increasingly are offering brokerage accounts with asset-based fees or use other alternative pricing structures, and are developing products that compete with, and are alternatives to, mutual funds. These asset-based pricing structures now are highly competitive with the costs of mutual funds.
 
Thanks to technology, which has provided better software and portfolio management systems, investment managers who in the past would take institutional accounts with a minimum of $5 million or higher, are more willing to take much smaller accounts.
 
Its all rather easy and the first $100,000 is what I see as anyones first hurdle. If done soon enough, one is more than not likely to become wealthy. If I can do it, so can anyone else. Knowing the rule of 72 and having a soundly grounded knowledge of economics its a sure thing. While some discuss annuities, I'm of the mind of perpetuities, which will pass from generation to generation.
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Re: Wonder what... [gagrice] by explorerx4
Dec 28, 2008 (8:59 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 28, 2008 4:21 pm)

despite your well wishes for the state of michigan, it is not the type of place that will just roll over and give up.
maybe you should visit some time. you will find out it has a lot to offer, besides the UAW.
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Re: Wonder what... [62vetteefp] by dallasdude1
Dec 28, 2008 (10:48 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 28, 2008 11:21 am)

Take out the worthless stock options and look at what he actually got and will only get for 2007 it comes out to under $2 million.
 
Yeah one would be crazy to exercise the stock options. However, you have to know more about the Golden Parachute. They have deferred compensations as to reduce taxes. So therefore, he will be getting a steady stream of income for years to come. Many highly compensated folks in Hollywood and sports superstars do this. More or less a untaxable trust fund, with many more implications. An irrevocable grantor trust but subjects the trust assets to claims by the employer’s creditors; a taxable trust, which is protected from the employer’s creditors but taxes are paid on the income a the time the deferred contributions are made; and, bonds which allow the employer to coordinate the retirement with the maturity dates of the bonds. Then some might opt for some type of whole life with a present cash value. Or even all of the above. Arod is a good example, the Texas Rangers are still paying him. Years after going to New York.
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Re: Does anyone know? [dallasdude1] by kipk
Dec 29, 2008 (4:07 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 26, 2008 6:54 am)

dallasdude1
 
Thank you!
 
This puts things in a better perspective.
 
Kip
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [jimbres] by 04cad
Dec 29, 2008 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 28, 2008 10:24 am)

Outsourcing our good paying jobs so we can spend a few dollars less on things imported has depleted our purchasing power across the board. If we were to add equal tariffs to items coming into our country like other countries charge, it would level the playing field a bit. It would still be hard for us to compete with prison or child labor.
 
The Big 3 do produce many attractive vehicles that the American public was buying in huge numbers, GM didn't stay the biggest seller for so long by accident. No one that I have heard of predicted gasoline to jump almost two dollars in one year. Some people don't understand the reason the Big 3, as well as the imports were making the large SUVs and pickup trucks, is, that is what the American public was buying and they were very profitable. It would have been irresponsible not to offer them. The Big 3 also has many smaller, very fuel efficient vehicles that are highly rated, some higher than their comparable import counterparts and priced less or equal. Sadly, the American public doesn't seem to want to support American companies, even though they often say they wish they could buy more American products.
 
Our economy seems to be based on Micky Ds, health care and paper. One has to wonder, where the money is going to come from, when the rest of our jobs, that produce an actual product are gone?
 
If tariffs don't work, why did we institute tariffs on incoming steel a few years back to try and save our domestic steel industry? Instead of lowering our standard of living, perhaps we should hope to raise everyone's standard to a higher level?
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Re: Wonder what... [dallasdude1] by dieselone
Dec 29, 2008 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 28, 2008 10:48 pm)

They have deferred compensations as to reduce taxes.
 
My wife gets opportunities for deferred comp about every 4 years and it's incredible the benefits she gets out of it. I think many don't understand how it works, but basically all deferred compensation does is allow the employee to defer and invest compensation for a later date. Probably really nice for a CEO that will be making millions to defer some of that to a date were he will no longer be CEO and possibly pay less tax on that money if he/she has a lower tax bracket when deferred comp is returned.
 
With my wife's plan, I don't really see it saving us on tax liability. She gets to elect an amount of her salary to defer every 4 years. Sure, we don't pay tax on the deferred salary the year it's deferred, but it will be taxable when the deferred salary is returned. Her plan has an 8 year deferment and provides 15 years of annuity payments based on amount deferred and guaranteed ROR beginning at age 65. Next month she gets a check from her first deferment from 8 years ago. That will be taxable income for '09 unless I put it in a different tax deferment vehicle. The beauty of that deferment is the funds deferred have a 13% guaranteed ROR.
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Re: UAW golf course makes money????? [04cad] by dino001
Dec 29, 2008 (6:09 am)
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Replying to: 04cad (Dec 29, 2008 5:40 am)

You can riot, write fiery manifestos, cover your ears and eyes in mud and not listen to basic economics, but you can't stop it. The basic economic rule is: your job is safe only when nobody else can do it better for the same money or equally well for less. The truth is, a situation where 1/20 of the World's population consummed 1/5th of World's resources and energy was unstastainable. It was American ingenuity, first-class governance and sheer luck (e.g. avoidance of war destruction and ability to profit from it) that set up that kind of imbalance to run for so long - but it had to end sooner or later. It can end either by making others richer or us poorer, but most likely it happens through both. The world simply caught up.
 
Yes, it's that simple. Before it was only a guy in Ohio or Michigan that could piece together a decent car frame and not to mention that it would take a fortune to transport so many of those cars back to America, where they were sold. Today high schools in Asia or East Europe teach better than those in Ohio and transportation got also cheap - not to mention those were also local markets for the products. So, a guy in Manilla or Budapest can do it as well as guy in Ohio for less. Those jobs were doomed long before you could write your protest manifesto. What stays? Jobs that no one else can do, like highly specialized manufacturing at competitive price.
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Re: Wonder what... [explorerx4] by gagrice
Dec 29, 2008 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 28, 2008 8:59 pm)

maybe you should visit some time. you will find out it has a lot to offer, besides the UAW.
 
I have several times. My step father's family are in the Midland area, and mostly retired from Dow Chemical. My folks lived in Gaylord for a time and I visited them. It has some pretty areas. That is why I said it would make a nice National Park. As far as industry, it will die a slow agonizing death. Partly as a result of the working class feeling they are entitled to a given wage no matter if the company makes money or not. Add to that the enviro whacko groups that are trying their best to destroy any and ALL industry. You tried to get a permit to build a factory lately? Many states it is just about impossible. The UAW has fought against high tech solutions to auto making. That is the main reason Ford built their state of the art factory in Brazil instead of the USA.
 
For those that want to stay in Michigan. My advice get into health care or get a license to drive a tour bus. Not sure how many Indian Casinos are in Michigan. Dealing black jack is also a good paying job. My sis makes about $90k per year plus benefits working at an Indian casino. No Unions. And no protection if you don't get along with management. Sovereign nation, they don't tolerate whiners.

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