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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 28, 2008 7:49 am) You continue to deflect from the issue here. Was spending money on a golf course and resort beneficial to all UAW employees? I think NOT. When that project was started the UAW was a strong, wealthy, vibrant Union. Now it is a weak remnant of days gone by. Yet they hang on to the past and waste the member's money to support an entity that probably less than 10% can afford to use. Not to mention the 1000s that have lost their jobs and cannot afford the gas to even get to THEIR fancy golf course and resort. Or are you saying UAW members get free green fees and lodging in the hotel along with free meals for their $23 million lost? It has nothing to do with AIG or the AMA. It has to do with the members and how their money is spent. Do they get to vote on keeping this money losing operation? We as Teamsters were given a chance to express our dissatisfaction with a rec center and hospital that was losing money. And we sold it before it drained our finances. I keep forgetting the UAW leadership only look out for themselves.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 28, 2008 8:17 am) Retraining? College at 40? There are workers at GM working in maintenance and production with master's degrees. Where do you propose to employ hundreds of thousands of retrained or college educated workers at a living wage, when the majority of the ones being graduated today are not finding work? In the future, history will show, not protecting U.S. manufacturing and jobs by whatever means necessary, tariffs, protectionism....... will be the reason the golden goose died. Being jealous or moaning about the UAW or their workers pay, benefits or workload, is not only foolish, it is a misconception. What you see on tv are usually assembly plants, clean, fairly quiet. Go into a fabricating plant or aluminum casting facility, most people would run out of there and never go back. Most UAW workers earn their paychecks and benefits and suffer shortened lives because of their jobs. UAW members have given concessions in every contract of one type or another for about 20 years, the UAW leadership doesn't want to say that because they always tout the "new" contract as a gain, but ask any UAW member and they can tell you, the UAW has done plenty to help GM and the others over the last several years. There are non producers at every level of business, usually brothers in laws, nephews, sisters, etc. Rarely are they fired. Maybe there should be a test, like they are proposing for teachers at all levels of business to help weed out the workers that deserve to be fired in all companies? Of course, who would make that decision? I am sure, neither you or I would lose our jobs? Oh, wait, maybe that is why the unions still exist and neet to? It keeps management from hiring more, brothers in laws, nephews, and sisters as dead weight that someone else has to carry at the expense of the real workers?
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 28, 2008 8:17 am) I've been there. My family has been there. Its a Family Education Center during the summer and a leadership education center the rest of the year. If you apply to go, you might get to go. We did. The staff was so wonderful and we came away so much more knowledgeable. I've been on some awesome vacations, this rates right up there. I loved it and know many others whom have came away with the same feelings and it energized us. Its our money, I would never think or dream of telling the Teamsters of what to do with their money. As long as they put it to good use, which they are doing, the membership has no issues. Sorry, but I'm very blessed to be part of the UAW. They have been very instrumental in my providing for my family. Not just the private schools, cars, homes, and tangibles, but also the many brothers/sisters with which I hold special bonds. Their families as well and the union people of the future. I refuse to disrespect union people, even if there have been instances of abuse (which there were and will be). By far the greater good is being served and everyone, in leadership, that I know is there for the right reasons. Sorry, I can't speak for the Teamsters. There too I was able to ask some questions. Why are you spending our money on NASCAR? They replied, its a dollar per hour of over time given by the auto manufacturers for each hour of overtime worked. So as to discourage overtime and have UAW members at home with their families. Quality family time, a family values agenda by the UAW. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 28, 2008 6:10 am) I'm surprised that Goldfinger didn't offer to mortgage the golf resort to help out the automakers. After all, that loan money is very critical to the D3. Everybody should sacrifice, right?
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Replying to: 04cad (Dec 28, 2008 9:01 am) Show me the statistics where a *majority* of college graduates are not finding work.
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 28, 2008 9:33 am) A good friend of mine was here over the holidays. He was a VP at a major bank. He has has to lay off 16 people under him. The price at the pump has also discouraged the energy companies. There is going to be competition for fewer positions by experienced layed off workers and those coming out of college. http://media.www.thelamron.com/media/storage/paper1150/news/2008/12/04/News/Rece- nt.Graduates.Run.Against.Struggling.Economy.Job.Market-3569858.shtml That's the weakest outlook in six years and reflects a sharp recent downturn. Just two months ago, a survey by the same group projected a 6.1% increase in hiring. The August survey included 219 employers, 146 of whom responded to the new survey, conducted earlier this month. The big drop in hiring projections is "extremely unusual," says Edwin Koc, the association's director of strategic research. http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/106007/For-'09-Grads,-Job-Prospects-Take-a-Dive
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 28, 2008 9:28 am) Like for non-ordinary people like AIG management, the state is now giving them so much. A tax payer bailout of AIG is surely necessary, but it has been justified so that ordinary people suffer less, not management. Its insulting that you would look to the poor for more welfare for the wealthy. The bailout to AIG, etal, is a farce and an insult to every hard working American whose job may be in jeopardy, not to mention the millions of Americans whose assets and savings built over many years is being vaporized day by day. The perpetrators of the largest fraud in recorded history should be held accountable by the courts through indictments of misfeasance, malfeasance, and outright theft. And where is the Congress, many of whom are complicit in the meltdown of our economy? Obviously our elected representatives lack the courage to deal with the almost total destruction of millions of lives and property. And yet the talk is merely the elimination of bonuses and/or salary increases. How many billions of dollars have been filched by greedy executives and boards of directors in the form of obscene salaries, bonuses, stock options and other creative forms of payout? The American public has been and continues to be raped and pillaged by greed. Will it never end?
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Replying to: 04cad (Dec 28, 2008 9:01 am) Sorry, but I don't buy that. The 1930 Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which sharply increased tariffs here & which prompted our trading partners to retaliate by increasing their tariffs, lengthened & deepened the Great Depression & may have been one of the causes of WWII. Protectionism violates the oldest rule of the marketplace: the customer is always right. Instead, it punishes the customer by raising prices & reducing choice. It leads to mediocrity. I'm confident that American automakers can produce exciting products that customers want to buy at prices they're willing to pay, but first they (certainly GM) must go through bankruptcy reorganization. That will give new leadership the chance to rebuild the business & shed excessive costs. Without bankruptcy, there can be no rebirth.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 27, 2008 10:28 pm) Take out the worthless stock options and look at what he actually got and will only get for 2007 it comes out to under $2 million. Still a lot of money but a bit less than $14 million. Of course if the stock goes up to $100 he will be sitting pretty.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 28, 2008 9:47 am)
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