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Replying to: 04cad (Dec 27, 2008 8:43 am) Sounds like ordinary American's. Excellent post! When we all get away from pointing fingers/scapegoating, we can see that were all in this together. If anything the "prevailing wage" in any given area is driven up by union wages in general. So we all benefit even Honda/Toyota calculate this wage. We don't need to envy others either. Be they the wealthy, or those whom are more fortunate. We need to attract the work, show that we can do the work better than others, and just show them the unbroken American spirit. Bad things can happen to even good people. Do we just give up? Go long and look for the ball.
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 26, 2008 9:18 pm) Really? What facts support this perception?
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 27, 2008 9:24 am) So then why is the UAW killing it's master companies rather than trying to help make the company successful together? Go long and look for the ball. Wouldn't the union not have striked GM even THIS YEAR if they had been going long and looking for the ball? The company was nearly insolvent yet the union had to strike at one of the most successful plants?  The union should "go long" and realize "we're all in this together". Unfortunately Goldfinger has not been doing that. Perhaps he needs to be replaced? |
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...Walter Reuther would make of Gettlefinger and Alfred Sloan would make of Wagonner? We are living in an age of midgets.
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 27, 2008 10:52 am) "among the union's biggest fixed assets, have lost $23 million in the past five years alone, a heavy albatross around the union's neck as it tries to manage a multibillion-dollar pension plan crisis." Fox
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 26, 2008 1:22 pm) Bringing in one or two crackpot person's opinions of the AMA as being some sort of government controlling powerhouse and the implication of all doctor's being flawless super human's (although some think they are) that don't make mistakes, yet make an unbelievably high income serves no purpose here. It does a great job at distorting the reality of becoming a physician and maintaining credentialing using cherry picked opinions and pseudo-facts. Are doc's making too much? If so, when you need emergency surgery or a loved one gets cancer, call Oprah Winfrey or A-Rod.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 27, 2008 6:07 am) The union in the past would strike only the most profitable GM plant, Janesville, Wis. Mgmt has now eliminated that plant The union would strike a key car part plant without which, a car could not be completed. Mgmt has outsourced all parts The union had half a million members Now they have about 50,000 Mgmt wants some concessions from the union to restore some of the competitiveness There has to be another place for GM to find competitiveness. I can't figure out what it could be Bankruptcy will only help if it relieves GM of it's pension and healthcare obgligations. The 1% savings from UAW wage concessions will not be enough to save GM. There are some factors that will turn in favor for GM but not until we climb out of the recession and start buying cars. Local dealer is advertising new 2009 Corolla's, Impalas or Malibus for 14,900. You have to be in a current GM lease and add destination charge so it would be $17,550 for me for the 2 Chevys. Not sure if the Corolla has $2k of the discount as a lease turn in too. But even these deals aren't getting people out to buy. |
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UAW retirees are dying at an unprecedented rate? Can you give a link or give some personal information that you know about this purported fact? Is it one of those things like the oldtimers at Boeing would always tell me? I'll tell you about it, it goes like this. "See him over there?" "Yep." "He's gonna die once he retires from the Lazy B!" "Oh yeah, why is that?", I would ask. "Because he needs to keep working. Once he stops working, it will be as if all of his self-worth and importance to others and himself will be gone. He'll just die." Scary thing is, as I worked more and more years at Boeing...and watched more and more of the people I knew retire, this played out to be true. Not always, though. Now I know that some of the UAW presently working are die-hards who love their job, and love to do a good job. Some of them will pass away when they retire. Trouble is, the present-day working crowd at GM of UAW's have stabbed the monster that is trying to feed them. What's nuttier is that GM management just went along with their bloated demands! That's the Gary Payton jumper that swished right through to beat the Bulls, people. They just went along with it, to their eventual early demise.
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It's a resort paid for by membership dues, all added to a price of a Detroit car and losing millions $ per year. link title
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 11:00 am) Another example of the stupidity in the UAW. You can remember when the AK Teamsters built that big hospital, Dental clinic, Rec center, headquarters building in Anchorage? They, the AK Teamster's leaders, being smarter that the UAW leadership, got rid of all those assets. I don't have the exact cost to build and what they were sold for. The bottom line the rank and file members are not supporting those extravagant buildings. They did build a huge resort in Indian Wells near Palm Springs. It was not even open to members of the Teamsters. We probably could not afford to join. The bottom line is our $13 million land investment with the Pension Trust money has netted to date over $450 million. What has the UAW done for their members lately, except drive jobs out of the country?
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