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Re: Good medical & dental for UAW retirees without coverage [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Dec 26, 2008 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 26, 2008 7:44 am)

Cartels normally don't work in economics. Because they cheat on each other. OPEC has a hard time controlling its member nations. The De Beers cartel might be the only exception that I'm aware of. If you want to see good representation by a union look at the AMA. Fact is they are directly responsible for the rising medical cost. The UAW is caught in the crossfire of the impotent folks who represent the nation in Washington. Why are they letting the AMA do this?
 
Not sure that the government does more than oversee the medical profession.
 
AMA control remains much the same, and as a result, even incompetent doctors are guaranteed high incomes. In law, a profession with much freer entry, some lawyers get rich, others make middle incomes, and others have to go into another line of work. But thanks to almost a century and a half of AMA statism, even terrible doctors get lavish incomes.
 
The monopoly also allows anti-customer practices to go unpunished. For example, doctors routinely schedule appointments too closely together so as to keep their waiting rooms full, for prestige and marketing reasons. With little competition, they can get away with it, and advertising on-time service would be "unethical." The next time you have to wait 45 minutes amid six-month-old People magazines, thank the AMA.

 
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/medical.html
 
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3762857
 
Many solutions are offered for rising medical costs. Almost all of them involve more government intervention and less consumer choice. No one seems to talk about the root cause of rising costs—the extraordinary power of the American Medical Association (AMA) to control the supply of doctors.
 
An economic principle is that when there is a shortage, prices go up. Ordinarily—in a free-market—when there is more demand than supply, new entry by suppliers occurs. However, the supply of physicians is strictly controlled.
 
And so it is with medical care. No political party wants to tackle the unbridled power of the AMA—they are just too powerful a lobby. Until this power of the AMA is tackled, there will be no solution to rising medical costs. And as a consequence, the movement towards further socialization of medicine, which will hurt the consumer even more, will accelerate.
 
http://givingupcontrol.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/the-untold-story-behind-rising-m- edical-costs/
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Re: UAW's PR Problem [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Dec 26, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 26, 2008 11:21 am)

Here in CA I have not talked to one person that felt sorry for the UAW or the Big 3 going belly up.
 
Here in TX, I have not talked to one person that felt sorry for the California going belly up or falling into the ocean. So how many Hummers does your governor have?
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Re: UAW's PR Problem [blckislandguy] by dallasdude1
Dec 26, 2008 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Dec 26, 2008 10:09 am)

Now, let me play the UAWs hand. You never see images of large, happy, extended families that these guys have built. Never see shots of young MDs and CPAs that came out of these families. Just overweight white guys complaining.
 
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
 
http://www.netscientia.com/media.html
 
For all their economic clout and cultural sway, the ten great multinationals profiled in our latest chart--AOL Time Warner, Disney, General Electric, News Corporation, Viacom, Vivendi, Sony, Bertelsmann, AT&T and Liberty Media--rule the cosmos only at the moment. The media cartel that keeps us fully entertained and permanently half-informed is always growing here and shriveling there, with certain of its members bulking up while others slowly fall apart or get digested whole. But while the players tend to come and go--always with a few exceptions--the overall Leviathan itself keeps getting bigger, louder, brighter, forever taking up more time and space, in every street, in countless homes, in every other head
 
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020107/miller
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Re: UAW's PR Problem [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 26, 2008 1:28 pm)

So how many Hummers does your governor have?
 
I think he has about 6 of them. All UAW built. The Liberals that run the state all drive Prius. Remember it was our own Democrat Moonbeam that tried suing the Big 3 for spewing more Carbon than the Imports. If it was not for Rush Limbaugh pushing GM vehicles and Conservatives buying big SUVs and PU trucks. The Big 3 and UAW would have been gone long ago.
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The Relentless Pursuit of Cheap by wheelman
Dec 26, 2008 (2:21 pm)
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Except for the GM Job Bank, I don't have a problem with the UAW. In fact, I think
the majority of the assembly work done by the UAW is excellent. The man or woman on the (assembly) line only installs what management provides. The failure of the U.S.auto industry is management's relentless pursuit of reducing cost-to-build by using cheaper and cheaper components and assemblies. What the 'white shirts' and pin stripe suits do not understand is that when cheap components break....that supposedly cherished, loyal customer starts looking for a better brand of vehicle. So moronic management saves .03 cents on a part.....and risks losing a customer who is willing to pay $20,000+ for vehicle. And that's stupid. Just plain stupid.
 
WheelMan
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Re: The Relentless Pursuit of Cheap [wheelman] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: wheelman (Dec 26, 2008 2:21 pm)

majority of the assembly work done by the UAW is excellent.
 
That may or may not be so. The real point is why did the management cut corners on the content of their vehicles? Was it because they only have so much room with all the additional costs? There is more to the total mess at GM than we are seeing. Did the UAW contracts keep GM from modernizing their operations? Why are the health care costs of retirees added to current production rather than taken from the pension fund? Does the UAW contracts keep people working that are no longer productive? If GM is going to compete against the likes of Toyota on a $20k car, they better use the same quality parts. If GM cannot build a $20k car with equal quality to the imports. Best they get out of the business.
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Re: The Relentless Pursuit of Cheap [gagrice] by 62vetteefp
Dec 26, 2008 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 26, 2008 4:20 pm)

They all use the same suppliers. That is probably the #1 reason why the quality numbers are the same. Never thought of that before. Why would a head lamp assembly on a Toyota be any better than one from a GM if they are both built by Hella or Valeo? They use the same technology and bulb.
 
But you hit the nail on the head. Many decisions were made to cut content/cost due to trying to offer a product at a competitive price. They had to take content out to compete. This was due to the financials.
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Re: The Relentless Pursuit of Cheap [gagrice] by blckislandguy
Dec 26, 2008 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 26, 2008 4:20 pm)

I agree if what you are saying is that the Big Three have a leadership vaccuum. None of the these companies have leaders at the top, just well dressed, smooth talking guys. (Gee, Nardelli at Chrysler got 200 million from Home Depot just to go away.) None of these guys would ever think about going back into a plant a midnight to see what really was happenning. None of these guys would ever even consider going into a bar near a plant and buying a couple of rounds on a Friday night to talk with the hourly people. None of these guys could lead a rifle platoon on a skirmish line.
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Re: The Relentless Pursuit of Cheap [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 7:26 pm)

I guess then my point is if GM cuts a few corners so they will have enough to pay a UAW retirees health care premiums, should a customer be chastised for buying the car with higher content? The American people are generally not interested in subsidizing any failing business. A few here just cannot accept the fact that the UAW has beat the Big 3 down to nothing. The UAW idea of fairness is a lug nut assembler should make as much as an engineer with a college degree. That may be the way it is at GM. It is not the way the World operates. It has deteriorated the engineering at GM to where they are not developing competitive product for that high school student to assemble.
 
Ask a 30 year engineer at GM what he thinks of the 30 year UAW worker.

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