Sign In Join 



United Automobile Workers of America (UAW)

16706 messages,  Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 12:18 PM

You are in the Automotive News & Views Forum. Your Hosts are steve_ & claires

What is this discussion about? Automotive News


Messages Page 671 of 1671
1
...
668
669
670
671
672
673
674
...
1671
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion

#6698 of 16706
Sad... by lemko
Dec 23, 2008 (1:02 pm)
Reply
General Motor's oldest plant nears shutdown
Published: 12/23/08, 3:25 PM EDT
By DINESH RAMDE
 
JANESVILLE, Wis. (AP) - As the last SUV rolled off the production line at General Motors' oldest plant here Tuesday, Karen Green promised herself she would keep her emotions in check.
 
The Janesville plant was built in 1918 for tractor production and converted to a Chevrolet plant in 1923. Green had worked on the assembly line for 14 years.
 
When plant and union officials began thanking workers for their years of service, however, she couldn't hold back the tears.
 
"I was pretty good up until the end. Then I lost it," said Green, 55, of Fort Atkinson. "It was just so somber, so sad."
 
Green was one of 1,200 employees let go when GM ended production at the southern Wisconsin plant.
 
Another 800 or so jobs have been lost at local companies that supplied GM parts.
 
Over the years, workers churned out sedans and SUVs, including Chevrolet Suburbans and GMC Yukons. But demand for big vehicles plummeted during the days of $4 gas this summer and failed to recover as fuel prices came down.
 
"We gave it a pretty good run for 85 years," said Steve Kriefall, 58, of Janesville. "But these are tough times now, and it's hard to see it come to this."
 
Kriefall retired from a 25-year career at the plant two years ago, but came back Tuesday for the final day.
 
The recession and a reluctant to extend credit have further hurt GM and other U.S. automakers. GM's sales have dropped 18 percent, and the company has lost $57.5 billion in the past 18 months.
 
In response, GM has announced 11,000 U.S. layoffs this year. They include 1,080 workers at a GM plant in Moraine, Ohio, that also closed Tuesday.
 
About 50 workers will remain at the Janesville plant to complete an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors Ltd. They're scheduled to finish by May or June, and then the plant will close for good, GM spokesman Christopher Lee said.
 
The recent job losses follow years of dwindling employment at the plant, which had 8,000 workers in the early 1990s. Some wonder whether the Janesville area can survive.
 
"You're already seeing it - lots of people leaving, lots of homes for sale," said Harry Larson, 57, who was an electrician at GM for 25 years. "They'll be looking for work wherever they can find it."
 
Others are persistently optimistic. Marv Wopat, 61, believes the town can persevere and hopes the automaker will eventually bring a new product to Janesville and its 60,000 residents.
 
"I believe Janesville will survive because of the community and the quality of people," said Wopat, who retired in July after 40 years with GM. "I believe it will survive, and it will grow, and hopefully it'll grow with GM down the road."
 
So far, that doesn't seem likely. Even though the White House threw GM and Chrysler LLC a lifeline Friday, offering $17.4 billion in rescue loans, the money isn't likely to trickle down to Janesville.
 
Before the money was approved, Gov. Jim Doyle had said the Janesville plant would have "no chance" without a bailout, and even with one it would have "a very, very remote chance."
 
Doyle's spokesman Lee Sensenbrenner said the governor's assessment was unchanged.
 
"It's still a very remote chance," Sensenbrenner said. "Maybe this keeps the door open a crack, but it's still going to be a difficult journey."
 
Workers trickled out of the plant in twos and threes after Tuesday's final shift.
 
Some said they were considering going back to school, but most said weren't sure what the future would hold.
 
Jeff Schrobel, 50, of Fort Atkinson, said he was considering taking classes toward an engineering degree but wondered whether more schooling would help.
 
"I'll be 55 when I'm done," Schrobel said. "Will having a degree make any difference at that point?"
 
Green said she's also considering going back to school, although she doesn't know what she'd study. Meanwhile, she's been cutting back on her Christmas and other spending.
 
"I'll just have to learn how to get by with less," she said.
#6699 of 16706
Re: we can give to anyone but americans [gagrice] by lemko
Dec 23, 2008 (1:11 pm)
Reply

Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 7:15 pm)

Whoa, now that's interesting! A young guy who works with me is worried about how he's going to pay for the $5,000 repair bill for the transmission in his 2002 Acura RSX!
 
Well, the 10-year thing worked for Hyundai, why not GM? Heck, my 1989 Cadillac Brougham and 1988 Buick Park Avenue could've had 20-year warranties and not needed them. If it's anything GM does right, it's powertrains!
#6700 of 16706
Re: Been there,watched it!!!!!! [motorcity6] by lemko
Dec 23, 2008 (1:18 pm)
Reply

Replying to: motorcity6 (Dec 23, 2008 9:55 am)

Heck, I've been giving some thought to getting a new Buick Lucerne CXS Super to add to my Cadillac DTS Performance for pretty much the same reason!
#6701 of 16706
Re: we can give to anyone but americans [lemko] by andre1969
Dec 23, 2008 (2:20 pm)
Reply

Replying to: lemko (Dec 23, 2008 1:11 pm)

Whoa, now that's interesting! A young guy who works with me is worried about how he's going to pay for the $5,000 repair bill for the transmission in his 2002 Acura RSX!
 
Wait...isn't an RSX basically an Acura Civic? If it doesn't have a manual transmission it would only have a 4-speed automatic at best, wouldn't it? What the hell is in that transmission that would make it cost $5K to replace?!
 
There's a guy at work who has a 2003 or so Chevy Impala, just a base model with the 3.4. His transmission recently bit the dust, and was around $2500 or so to replace. At first I was thinking that was a bit premature, but then he said it had about 130,000 miles on it. So okay, it ain't no Torqueflite 727 or THM400. But if I got 130K out of a modern tranny before it chewed itself up, I wouldn't be too irritated with it.
 
Oh, as an aside, I've seen a commercial on tv a few times for some aftermarket warranty company that says they'll put a warranty on your car as long as it's under 15 years old and less than 200,000 miles. They show examples of how they saved their customers money, and one of the examples they quote is something like "The cost to replace the transmission in this 2003 Intrepid would have been about $3,000, but with our warranty, it didn't cost our customer a cent! I think it's funny that of all the examples out there they could have picked from, they had to pick an Intrepid like mine!
 
The other example they used was a $1200 a/c compressor on an early '00's Caravan. Boy, this sure is pick on Mopar Day, isn't it?
#6702 of 16706
Re: we can give to anyone but americans [andre1969] by bumpy
Dec 23, 2008 (3:26 pm)
Reply

Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 23, 2008 2:20 pm)

There's a guy at work who has a 2003 or so Chevy Impala, just a base model with the 3.4. His transmission recently bit the dust, and was around $2500 or so to replace. At first I was thinking that was a bit premature, but then he said it had about 130,000 miles on it.
 
Only 130k? That's pathetic. Any transmission that's worth a damn should run for at least 200k with no problems. Dying at 130k is some serious (expletive).
#6703 of 16706
Re: we can give to anyone but americans [bumpy] by fintail
Dec 23, 2008 (3:33 pm)
Reply

Replying to: bumpy (Dec 23, 2008 3:26 pm)

A friend of mine has an 03 Accord V6 that lost its tranny at 70K, then at about 95K it started acting up again, so it required shop time - but there was no failure. He's up to about 110K on it now and he's been fine since, but I know it worries him.
 
Lucky for him be bought some kind of warranty extension when he bought the car (new) so he's had no out of pocket costs.
 
And it wasn't even built by the UAW
#6704 of 16706
Re: we can give to anyone but americans [bumpy] by andre1969
Dec 23, 2008 (4:27 pm)
Reply

Replying to: bumpy (Dec 23, 2008 3:26 pm)

Dying at 130k is some serious (expletive).
 
Heck, my Mom & stepdad's '91 Stanza's tranny started to crap out around 90,000 miles! They were able to nurse it to around 110,000 though, when they sold the car.
 
Their replacement car, a '99 Altima, crapped its tranny at 35,000. To its credit though, that car has about 275,000 miles on it now, so tranny #2 has proven itself.
#6705 of 16706
UAW workers.... by iluvmysephia1
Dec 23, 2008 (4:27 pm)
Reply
all good jobs have to come to an end. Boeing decided my job and about 40,000 other jobs were expendable in 2002-2003. The UAW has basically doomed and bit the GM that fed them.
 
Again, it's healthcare that I went in to. I have told my story on here numerous times but I still see a dire need for Medical Assistants, CNA's, LPN's, RN's, Certified Respiratory Therapists and Registered Respiratory Therapists. Get re-trained outside of the auto industry. The American auto industry is in need of a Respiratory Therapist to intubate it and put it on a mechanical ventilator. We'll be watching it's end-tidal CO2, O2 saturations and CO2. Also it's HCO3. GM and the UAW definitely need an Arterial Blood Gas, supplemental oxygen and a mechanical ventilator. See how fun medical work is?
 
And even though you may not get to save your former company, it is often that you will get to have a hand in saving a little baby in respiratory distress, or help one in being born.
 
Get re-trained and get started getting the initial paperwork going. You'll want to get a head start on it-I am not so sure that GM is looking out for you at all. After all, it is you, the UAW, that has screwed them over, isn't it?
 
Make the breath rate 16 and get us another ABG, RT.
#6706 of 16706
Re: UAW workers.... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Dec 23, 2008 (5:26 pm)
Reply

Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 23, 2008 4:27 pm)

All sound advice. Did you get the job in Seattle? I think that is a good place to steer clear of for a while. Maybe work winters in Wilcox and summers in the Puget Sound. It is easier to do when you don't have a Union telling you where you can work. Jobs based on skills needed everywhere are preferable to being on one lug nut at a time installer.
 
We gave them the bailout money and the UAW lost several 1000 jobs today alone. So what a waste of money. Time for GM to file for bankruptcy. They could just become an auto importer from Korea, India and China. Get rid of all the legacy costs and Union contracts. Maybe make a profit after decades of muddling. All GM has done for the last 40 years is lose money and market share. While the imports have out managed them and seduced their customer base with better cars.
#6707 of 16706
Re: UAW workers.... [gagrice] by lemko
Dec 23, 2008 (5:44 pm)
Reply

Replying to: gagrice (Dec 23, 2008 5:26 pm)

Ugh! The only way the imports could seduce me is to get me extremely drunk and drop an entire bottle of roofies in my drinks! To buy a Toyota, I'd have to drink the entire distillery!

Messages Page 671 of 1671
1
...
668
669
670
671
672
673
674
...
1671
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion
To POST a message, please Sign In.

New? Join Now!

Forum Tools

Please sign in.
Email Address:

Password:

Forgot Password?

Search Forums

Enter Keyword(s)

Advanced Search

Browse by Vehicle



View All Vehicles
Advertisement
Ask the Community
See What People Are Asking

Browse by Board

Browse by Topic


View All Topics

Today's Chats

Advertisement