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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 8:32 pm) form the article: How did he sell the concessions to his members? None of the current workers lost much of anything. They kept their pay, and their health-care benefits are still first-rate. Anyone losing a job got buyouts averaging more than $100,000, and they typically head into the pension rolls. Cuts should have been across the board. That would be a Union, based on equality. There is no equality left in the UAW. It is the old guys vs the new hires. A horrible way to run a Union. Here is more on the subject including Gettlefinger blocking the GM Chrysler merger. Which is probably for the best. Most industry observers believe Gettelfinger will fight to the death to keep wages where they are. But under threat of extinction and government prodding, he may well ditch the JOBS bank. Gettelfinger may even have to persuade his members to pay more for health care. When asked about it, he didn't rule it out: "I'll just have to wait and see what the government wants," he said. How about a GM-Chrysler merger? "No," he said firmly. The problem is, Gettelfinger has a tough hand. If he goes on strike, "he loses the country," says Ned Hill, dean of the College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University. So he will have to hope the Obama Administration is lenient. "At this point, his cards are all political," Hill says. I think he has already lost the country. I don't know anyone in CA that feels sorry for the UAW. They are more concerned about the lost jobs here in our state and the fact that CA is near bankruptcy. That will make the automakers going out of business insignificant. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 22, 2008 8:09 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 5:51 pm) Well let's wait and see what the next 3 months bring. Will GM's market share increase, remain constant, or decrease? I predict it will decrease, but we have gas getting cheap so perhaps the worship of SUVs and Trucks will rise again and all will be good with the D3....until gas goes up again. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 22, 2008 6:22 pm) So I'm sure you have an 18" TV at home as your primary set? After all, a big screen HDTV is not life changing. However most people don't buy for life changing. They buy for desirable.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 22, 2008 6:59 pm) The excellent US products already exist. When people get sick of the list above, the game will change. Just go on with your US bashing without ever stating a single fact to back it up. You stated that we only need to increase percentages by a few points and it has much more effect than wage cuts for the UAW. I stated that is easy to say and hard to do. What are the game changers? You proceeded to list a bunch of economic problems and then rant about my supposed bashing of which there was none in my post. So I'll ask again - how do you propose the market share increases by a few percentage points for the D3? What are the PRODUCTS that are going to be the game changers to do that? You're ranting a lot but have not answered my question. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 pm) I keep waiting for the UAW strike where they are protesting that they are not allowed to make a high enough quality vehicle, the parts don't fit right, and they don't want their names on poor vehicles. Instead they kick the sick dog (GM) when it's down and looking like it may still be gasping for air. |
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Although the UAW can be blamed for a portion of the problems which resulted in the necessity for a goverment bailout. The manufacturers ability, or lack of, to manage their companies plays an equally large part in the current situation. The unwillingness to acknowledge any fault, and deflecting blame effortlessly by these supposedly capable executives on any target other than their ineptitude is beyond comprehension. Watching the body English of 2 of the Big 3 leaders and the UAW president during the Senate hearings revealed far more than their spoken words. The ego punctures affected some more than others. Nothing is more painful than than finding that you aren't as clever, wise, proactive or dynamic as your self-created image indicates, then having to listen to that being televised all over the world. Ouch! Guess what? The 'circumstances beyond our control' excuse just don't play well any more. |
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 22, 2008 10:51 pm) Regards, OW |
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