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#6668 of 16701 Re: Interesting Article... [dave8697] by jimbres Dec 22, 2008 (8:09 pm)
Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 22, 2008 6:59 pm) The excellent US products already exist. When people get sick of the list above, the game will change. Just go on with your US bashing without ever stating a single fact to back it up.   You won't hear me bash American-made vehicles. I know that there are some good ones out there. If, for example, I were shopping for a family sedan (I'm not), I'd take a long, hard look at the Malibu. I also think that the Cadillac CTS is a terrific car & a great value.   But that doesn't change my view of bailouts. Because a company produces good products doesn't give that company the right to ask the government to pick my pockets against my will. If we give into that, we'll find ourselves living in a fourth-rate country - a 21st century Soviet Union - in which companies compete with each other for political influence instead of competing with each other to produce the best products. That's obvious.   You talk about "game changers" - rising unemployment, foreclosures, etc. That's exactly why I'd rather spend my share of the cost of a bailout supporting my local merchants & charities. Why should I send my money a thousand miles away when I really should be using it to support my neighbors? You should do the same with your money. Replies to this message: jwalls (Dec 22, 2008 9:08 pm)
#6669 of 16701 back to the topic by steve_ HOST Dec 22, 2008 (8:32 pm)
"In the next few months, United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger will be at the bargaining table with management at General Motors (GM) and Chrysler, as well as the federal government, to hammer out a deal that will restructure the industry. While Gettelfinger has always managed to get something for his union though tough bargaining, this time might be different."   UAW on Givebacks: 'We Have Given at the Office' (Business Week)   "The talks themselves are historic: The most powerful industrial union in America will be asked to reopen its contract to ensure the survival of the automakers. And Gettelfinger himself will be walking a tightrope.   On the one hand, he knows that the stakes are too high for the government to walk away from an industry that directly and indirectly employs an estimated 3 million people. On the other, he knows concessions are inevitable and that to sell them to his 640,000 members he needs to be seen as a defender of the working stiff."   Auto Bailout: UAW Chief Draws a Line (also Business Week) Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 9:07 pm)
#6673 of 16701 Re: back to the topic [steve_] by gagrice Dec 22, 2008 (9:07 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 8:32 pm) Here is how Gettlefinger got that last contract through. Just as I have said. The long time members stuck it to the new hires. They did not give up anything in their package. That is not being a team player. That causes nothing but dissension on the floor of the plant. When the new guy is making $14 per hour next to some lazy old dude making $30 per hour. Unions do not survive with that kind of double standard.   form the article: How did he sell the concessions to his members? None of the current workers lost much of anything. They kept their pay, and their health-care benefits are still first-rate. Anyone losing a job got buyouts averaging more than $100,000, and they typically head into the pension rolls.   Cuts should have been across the board. That would be a Union, based on equality. There is no equality left in the UAW. It is the old guys vs the new hires. A horrible way to run a Union. Here is more on the subject including Gettlefinger blocking the GM Chrysler merger. Which is probably for the best.   Most industry observers believe Gettelfinger will fight to the death to keep wages where they are. But under threat of extinction and government prodding, he may well ditch the JOBS bank. Gettelfinger may even have to persuade his members to pay more for health care. When asked about it, he didn't rule it out: "I'll just have to wait and see what the government wants," he said. How about a GM-Chrysler merger? "No," he said firmly.   The problem is, Gettelfinger has a tough hand. If he goes on strike, "he loses the country," says Ned Hill, dean of the College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University. So he will have to hope the Obama Administration is lenient. "At this point, his cards are all political," Hill says.   I think he has already lost the country. I don't know anyone in CA that feels sorry for the UAW. They are more concerned about the lost jobs here in our state and the fact that CA is near bankruptcy. That will make the automakers going out of business insignificant.
#6674 of 16701 Re: Interesting Article... [jimbres] by jwalls Dec 22, 2008 (9:08 pm)
Replying to: jimbres (Dec 22, 2008 8:09 pm) Well said
#6677 of 16701 Re: Fail... [gagrice] by tlong Dec 22, 2008 (10:49 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 5:51 pm) Nice Spin job. Maybe CNN will hire you   Well let's wait and see what the next 3 months bring. Will GM's market share increase, remain constant, or decrease? I predict it will decrease, but we have gas getting cheap so perhaps the worship of SUVs and Trucks will rise again and all will be good with the D3....until gas goes up again.

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