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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 22, 2008 4:37 pm) No they represent their states best interest. That is what they were elected to do. They also represent the feelings of more than 60% of the US population. Most people in the USA do not want to bail out GM, Chrysler and the UAW. All your ramblings over the last several postings have absolutely no bearing on the UAW or the bailout. So like I said before no one here has convinced me that the UAW is interested in saving the domestic automakers. So why should the rest of US?
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 22, 2008 4:51 pm) Most of the currency manipulation between China, Japan and the USA, was during the mid 1990s. You can thank the Fed which Democratic President Woodrow Wilson signed into law. Why don't you accept the fact that currency manipulation is a fact of life with the kind of banking we have had for nearly 100 years. One of the most devious currency manipulators on the planet is George Soros. Look at the countries he has devastated with currency manipulation. Many believe myself included that the recent run-up in oil prices was his doing. When SNL did a spoof on his getting the $700 billion from the recent banking bailout. It was not just for the humor. It had a lot of basis in fact. Facts that Bloomberg is trying to investigate and the Fed is keeping a lid on who got what and where it is going. Currency manipulation has little to no affect on the quality of materials that GM uses in their vehicles. It has NO bearing on the fact that many UAW workers are less than professional in their jobs. It is one of your smokescreens to protect workers that should not needed protecting. If GM was building world class cars they would not have lost 25% of the market in the last 15 years. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 22, 2008 6:59 pm) You won't hear me bash American-made vehicles. I know that there are some good ones out there. If, for example, I were shopping for a family sedan (I'm not), I'd take a long, hard look at the Malibu. I also think that the Cadillac CTS is a terrific car & a great value. But that doesn't change my view of bailouts. Because a company produces good products doesn't give that company the right to ask the government to pick my pockets against my will. If we give into that, we'll find ourselves living in a fourth-rate country - a 21st century Soviet Union - in which companies compete with each other for political influence instead of competing with each other to produce the best products. That's obvious. You talk about "game changers" - rising unemployment, foreclosures, etc. That's exactly why I'd rather spend my share of the cost of a bailout supporting my local merchants & charities. Why should I send my money a thousand miles away when I really should be using it to support my neighbors? You should do the same with your money.
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"In the next few months, United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger will be at the bargaining table with management at General Motors (GM) and Chrysler, as well as the federal government, to hammer out a deal that will restructure the industry. While Gettelfinger has always managed to get something for his union though tough bargaining, this time might be different." UAW on Givebacks: 'We Have Given at the Office' (Business Week) "The talks themselves are historic: The most powerful industrial union in America will be asked to reopen its contract to ensure the survival of the automakers. And Gettelfinger himself will be walking a tightrope. On the one hand, he knows that the stakes are too high for the government to walk away from an industry that directly and indirectly employs an estimated 3 million people. On the other, he knows concessions are inevitable and that to sell them to his 640,000 members he needs to be seen as a defender of the working stiff." Auto Bailout: UAW Chief Draws a Line (also Business Week)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 8:32 pm) form the article: How did he sell the concessions to his members? None of the current workers lost much of anything. They kept their pay, and their health-care benefits are still first-rate. Anyone losing a job got buyouts averaging more than $100,000, and they typically head into the pension rolls. Cuts should have been across the board. That would be a Union, based on equality. There is no equality left in the UAW. It is the old guys vs the new hires. A horrible way to run a Union. Here is more on the subject including Gettlefinger blocking the GM Chrysler merger. Which is probably for the best. Most industry observers believe Gettelfinger will fight to the death to keep wages where they are. But under threat of extinction and government prodding, he may well ditch the JOBS bank. Gettelfinger may even have to persuade his members to pay more for health care. When asked about it, he didn't rule it out: "I'll just have to wait and see what the government wants," he said. How about a GM-Chrysler merger? "No," he said firmly. The problem is, Gettelfinger has a tough hand. If he goes on strike, "he loses the country," says Ned Hill, dean of the College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University. So he will have to hope the Obama Administration is lenient. "At this point, his cards are all political," Hill says. I think he has already lost the country. I don't know anyone in CA that feels sorry for the UAW. They are more concerned about the lost jobs here in our state and the fact that CA is near bankruptcy. That will make the automakers going out of business insignificant. |
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