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Re: Remember Tonawanda! [dallasdude1] by chikoo
Dec 22, 2008 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 22, 2008 3:23 pm)

CNC......brings back memories.....
 
I have to agree with you. US leads in innovation. machines equipped with FANUC are simply awesome. But again, I have always maintained the view that the US is the pioneer, and the Japanese are followers who implement what the US develops so religiously that their end results are way better. We, in the US, have started to relax and sit on our laurels when it comes time to implement. Simply inventing and discovering new stuff does not help. Most of Toyota's designs follow GM innovations. But they do a better job in translating the design document to final product.
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Re: Remember Tonawanda! [chikoo] by dallasdude1
Dec 22, 2008 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 22, 2008 5:51 pm)

Mazatrol is just a user friendly control. Haas an American made is much better on the controls for the user. But if you factor in a post processor, five axis work is a breeze. Besides I saw Heidenhain scales on that Japanese machine.
 
I did see the Japanese counter part, well trained to be given parts in the morning and come back finished at the end of the day. Using his Mazatrol. Then I saw Unigraphics post developed in Michigan of all places, ripping at 350 inches per minute and the American coming back in an hour, deburred and all.
 
Fanuc is old school and simplistic these days.
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Re: we can give to anyone but americans [chikoo] by dave8697
Dec 22, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 22, 2008 1:53 pm)

I just asked a question...How?
Let me make it simple. What did the quality of your auto do to make your life better today, as opposed to if you drove a new Malibu that you claim has "poor quality" today?
My contention is that the differences in quality are not life changing.
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [rockylee] by gagrice
Dec 22, 2008 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 22, 2008 4:51 pm)

Rocky you are really obsessed with US trying to sell cars to Japan. They don't want them nor do we pursue them. What cars have we actively tried to sell to the Japanese? Then you keep acting like we are sending them so much money when they are in a lot worse condition than the USA.
 
Just answer me one question from your inside knowledge of the UAW. What could the UAW possibly gain by striking the Malibu and Lambda plants this year? They knew that GM had lost $38 billion in 2007. That to me was when I decided the UAW was best broken up as it was no longer a viable Union. They have used the thug mentality and gotten their way with weaklings like Wagoner way too long. Time for C11 and cancel all the contracts and hire people that are willing to work for the going wage. No other way that GM can survive. Just think about your new job. The UAW is screwing you and every GM sales person in this country over. They are screwing every Domestic shop worker in every dealership in this country. You don't see mechanics getting nearly full pay when they get laid off. Or the Sales people or the customer service agents in the dealerships. The few UAW workers believe they are more important than the 100s of 1000s of associated workers around the whole country. The UAW would rather GM fold than to give a penny of their precious wage and benefit package. That is why I so dislike the UAW. You and the UAW keep throwing out that starting wage for new hires. Well what cuts did the old timers take. When was the last time all the UAW workers took a cut in pay?
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Re: Interesting Article... [tlong] by dave8697
Dec 22, 2008 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 21, 2008 11:37 pm)

the game changers:
200% increase in foreclosures
half million job losses per month
unemployment at 9.6% in Michigan
tremendous equity losses
continued drops in home values
lowest ever levels of consumer confidence
falling job confidence
$1.46 gas
charity giving substantially down
recession
small businesses failing
credit rating declines abound
40 states bankrupt
 
None of these were around in early 2007
 
One day some will wake up and realize that the poor quality you claim US autos to have can't actually be found and that the above list is strongly contributed to when we buy keep sending money, we often have to borrow, to Japan.
 
The excellent US products already exist. When people get sick of the list above, the game will change. Just go on with your US bashing without ever stating a single fact to back it up.
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Re: we can give to anyone but americans [dave8697] by gagrice
Dec 22, 2008 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 22, 2008 6:22 pm)

My contention is that the differences in quality are not life changing.
 
That is crazy man. How about when the warranty is up and you get stuck with a $3000 repair bill? Is the UAW going to help you out because they may have been drunk that Monday when they assembled your engine? So it lasted 3 years then started using oil. For Starters GM needs to offer 10 year warranty to make people believe they consider their cars good.
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Re: Fail... [dallasdude1] by gagrice
Dec 22, 2008 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 22, 2008 4:37 pm)

The reality is that these Republicans from Alabama, Kentucky and South Carolina represent such a small portion of both the U.S. population
 
No they represent their states best interest. That is what they were elected to do. They also represent the feelings of more than 60% of the US population. Most people in the USA do not want to bail out GM, Chrysler and the UAW.
 
All your ramblings over the last several postings have absolutely no bearing on the UAW or the bailout. So like I said before no one here has convinced me that the UAW is interested in saving the domestic automakers. So why should the rest of US?
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [rockylee] by gagrice
Dec 22, 2008 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 22, 2008 4:51 pm)

You also can't get the "currency manipulation" issue through your head
 
Most of the currency manipulation between China, Japan and the USA, was during the mid 1990s. You can thank the Fed which Democratic President Woodrow Wilson signed into law. Why don't you accept the fact that currency manipulation is a fact of life with the kind of banking we have had for nearly 100 years. One of the most devious currency manipulators on the planet is George Soros. Look at the countries he has devastated with currency manipulation. Many believe myself included that the recent run-up in oil prices was his doing. When SNL did a spoof on his getting the $700 billion from the recent banking bailout. It was not just for the humor. It had a lot of basis in fact. Facts that Bloomberg is trying to investigate and the Fed is keeping a lid on who got what and where it is going.
 
Currency manipulation has little to no affect on the quality of materials that GM uses in their vehicles. It has NO bearing on the fact that many UAW workers are less than professional in their jobs. It is one of your smokescreens to protect workers that should not needed protecting. If GM was building world class cars they would not have lost 25% of the market in the last 15 years.

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