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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 21, 2008 8:53 pm) You amaze me gagrice. You would rather call a middle class where your average slob make $12-15 an hour like the Bush administration and the pseudo-right. How many people are going to buy things like new cars on $15 an/hr ??? Their disposable income isn't in line with the cost of living. I might be a minority here on edmunds but their are many who think and believe the way I do including people in your party and many of whom are non-union. You would rather sacrifice our economic power and national security so some ignorant slob can buy a that chinese made TV stand for $19.99 which is made out of cardboard with black lead paint from Walley World, and make your executive neighbor rich. I am at work taking a break otherwise I would be more than glad to get you some data. I know that is one reason why Regan, implemented a tariff on Japanese, motorcycles because Japan, implemented a "barrier" on engine specs which just so happened restricted Harley Davidson, from their market. I know back in the 1980's Japan, had tariffs on imported cars.You also can't get the "currency manipulation" issue through your head and hammer the UAW, GM, and just ignore the fact that for every Honyota, sold here in the U.S. which 50% are imported well it's an extra $4-13K in profits for the Japanese, automobile manufactuers. I'm not going to hammer Indiana, because their are some smart folks in the cities. You noticed they built those plants in the rural "farm" sectors of Indiana, but I won't get into why they did that. Let's just say it wasn't because they got such a great tax deal!!! Believe what you want gagrice, but remember that some of the data you get from so-called independent sources might have a vested interest to distort the facts. I know you like to trash the UAW, and think they are evil but they often site articles from independent sources. The teamsters aren't free of guilt if I thought the way you do. I however am of the thinking of instead of keeping the working man down which we have gradually done for the last 20 or 30 years why can't we think more/like other society's and include the working man or women??? I guess that isn't a option in capitalism??? -Rocky |
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 22, 2008 10:58 am) With bonuses, the Toyota workers made more than the GM workers, averaging almost $30.00 an hour versus $27.00? These guys can probably convince most of the country that union workers are overpaid. Unfortunately alot of people who are not in a union (and they are shrinking) can be made to believe that the REASON they are making cars no one is buying is BECAUSE of these union workers. However, for the God Bless America party, it's so fitting these frauds are made to go public with their attempts to strangle the one thing we still produce in this country, automobiles. Explain that to your flag waving, Bible reading, right wing Southern base. Toyota forecast an operating loss of $1.66 billion for the fiscal year ending March 2009. Toyota has never reported an operating loss since it began disclosing such figures in 1941. But it did have an operating loss in unofficial, internal calculations for the year ending March 1938, a year after the company was founded. Operating income reflects a company's core business performance and does not include income taxes and certain other expenses. Last fiscal year, Toyota had an operating profit of 2.27 trillion yen. Japan's top automaker also lowered its net profit forecast to just 50 billion yen for the year through March 2009 — a tiny fraction of the 1.7 trillion yen it earned last year. an hour ago http://www.freep.com/article/20081222/BUSINESS01/81222005/1002 http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Toyota-expected-cut-earnings-outlook/story- .aspx?guid=%7B8D3DF307-AE54-4391-8239-14298C656486%7D#comments |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 22, 2008 1:38 pm) Nice Spin job. Maybe CNN will hire you. 
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 22, 2008 3:23 pm) I have to agree with you. US leads in innovation. machines equipped with FANUC are simply awesome. But again, I have always maintained the view that the US is the pioneer, and the Japanese are followers who implement what the US develops so religiously that their end results are way better. We, in the US, have started to relax and sit on our laurels when it comes time to implement. Simply inventing and discovering new stuff does not help. Most of Toyota's designs follow GM innovations. But they do a better job in translating the design document to final product.
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 22, 2008 5:51 pm) I did see the Japanese counter part, well trained to be given parts in the morning and come back finished at the end of the day. Using his Mazatrol. Then I saw Unigraphics post developed in Michigan of all places, ripping at 350 inches per minute and the American coming back in an hour, deburred and all. Fanuc is old school and simplistic these days. |
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 22, 2008 1:53 pm) Let me make it simple. What did the quality of your auto do to make your life better today, as opposed to if you drove a new Malibu that you claim has "poor quality" today? My contention is that the differences in quality are not life changing.
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 22, 2008 4:51 pm) Just answer me one question from your inside knowledge of the UAW. What could the UAW possibly gain by striking the Malibu and Lambda plants this year? They knew that GM had lost $38 billion in 2007. That to me was when I decided the UAW was best broken up as it was no longer a viable Union. They have used the thug mentality and gotten their way with weaklings like Wagoner way too long. Time for C11 and cancel all the contracts and hire people that are willing to work for the going wage. No other way that GM can survive. Just think about your new job. The UAW is screwing you and every GM sales person in this country over. They are screwing every Domestic shop worker in every dealership in this country. You don't see mechanics getting nearly full pay when they get laid off. Or the Sales people or the customer service agents in the dealerships. The few UAW workers believe they are more important than the 100s of 1000s of associated workers around the whole country. The UAW would rather GM fold than to give a penny of their precious wage and benefit package. That is why I so dislike the UAW. You and the UAW keep throwing out that starting wage for new hires. Well what cuts did the old timers take. When was the last time all the UAW workers took a cut in pay? |
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