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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 12:16 pm) 78% of those polled by the very liberal CNN would not buy a GM or Chrysler product after the bailout was announced. Not quite what it said. Are you more likely to buy a car from GM or Chrysler after Friday's bailout? So if you are the 35% or so who already may buy a GM of Chrysler product they are not more likely to buy. If you are the 65% who would not be buying a GM of Chrysler you are not more likely to buy a car from them. If what you said was true there would be only 22% or less buying that would be a huge drop in sales and that is not being shown in Decembers sales at least. Me personally and some of my friends are not more likely to buy a GM product because of the loans. So we would have been one of the 78%. The guy that always buys Ford/Toyota/whatever would also have been one of the 78%. And that 22% would now be MORE likely to buy their products. So the bailout is causing more to buy the vehicles. Perhaps because they feel the companies will be around or because they want to keep the companies in business or whatever.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 20, 2008 11:10 am) ooooohhh...here comes the mr. humanity in all his glory. The savior of the species that is going to be extinct. Mr. Dave. This is called the Darwin's Theory. And I do not like the idea that everybody in the soccer match gets a trophy regardless of whether they won or lost, and even Kindergarten kids get a graduation certificate. Guess what? Do you know the US Tennis open player that came in 4th? or that football team that came in 4th place? >High school kid runs a 4:08 mile and comes in 4th place at a high school meet. His parents run over and congratulate him. Ah....I would not run over and congratulate him. Why should I? I would go over and offer my condolences and give him a spanking and a lecture so that he can try harder next time. Congratulate for coming in 4th? My foot. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 20, 2008 11:53 am) Are you somehow indicating that the poor quality of Automobiles is responsible for a better American life? and that improving the quality would somehow not improve the quality of life here?
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 21, 2008 7:34 am) True. higher wages are not what is making these cars unaffordable. It is the quality of car delivered at that price which is not realistic. Time and again, you are missing the point. The reason for an UAW wage cut is to make them realize that they are not worth their pay. They have to bring up their standards of workmanship if they want that pay. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 22, 2008 12:37 am) I'm glad to see that you agree with me that all bailouts are economically corrosive - no matter who benefits from them. We can't end them but that shouldn't stop us from arguing against them whenever we can. We classical liberals should take every opportunity to champion the core ideals of limited government, low taxes & maximum individual liberty. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 8:18 am) Then too a supplier has labor cost too. This hard to factor in. The engine block is more than likely cast, placed in a holding fixture, machined in a CNC machine (computer numerical control). I've been to the machine tool manufacturers and Japanese are slow, we have $500,000 machines running on Windows 95. However, that plant was a 24 hour operation with one person on site for this late night operation. Since we do low rate production we have made changes which allow fast, I mean fast turn around. Some the parts we have made and shown them are beyond their scope. They go to the tool show and make a Alpha Romero motor and a few push rods fast to impress. However, we are doing things light years beyond their scope. In any case, I was told that the folks in Iraq were commenting that those Americans sure have lots of cruise missiles. |
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Bloomberg: The Federal Reserve refused a request by Bloomberg News to disclose the recipients of more than $2 trillion of emergency loans from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral. Bloomberg filed suit Nov. 7 under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act requesting details about the terms of 11 Fed lending programs, most created during the deepest financial crisis since the Great Depression. The Fed responded Dec. 8, saying it’s allowed to withhold internal memos as well as information about trade secrets and commercial information. The institution confirmed that a records search found 231 pages of documents pertaining to some of the requests. “If they told us what they held, we would know the potential losses that the government may take and that’s what they don’t want us to know,” said Carlos Mendez, a senior managing director at New York-based ICP Capital LLC, which oversees $22 billion in assets. |
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Bill Kristol surprisingly backed up the UAW and the Democratic Party's plan of trying to offer a bridge loan to the Big 3 and not try to be "union busters." It's not out of any love for unions, but all about politics. As we saw with the AutoGate Memo, the Republican leadership decided to kill the rescue plan/bridge loan to the Big 3 purely for political reasons. Those reasons are to destroy the UAW and try to make them the scapegoats. Kristol -- who as you know is not on my team -- believes that the Southern Strategy of attacking workers is a huge political mistake. Kristol: I don't think it's very smart for a bunch of Southern Republicans to decide that the future of the Republican party is to beat up working class union members in states like Michigan, Indiana and Ohio. The UAW is in a lot of trouble, they've shrunk by 2/3's in the last years... An average automobile, 10% of the cost comes from wages and they were going to cut wages by ten or twenty percent, so it's one or two percent of the cost of the automobile. To have a huge fight for that. I think it was a mistake for the Republicans, He's thinking of this in political terms for Republicans, and actually gets honest when he says that it's not the union workers or their wages at fault here. I was not in favor of a Car Czar because I don't trust Bush to make the choice based on the interests of the working class, but at least they see the problem this could cause our entire economy if the Republicans in Congress bankrupt the auto industry. On the other hand, if Republicans want to immolate themselves into even further irrelevancy, I'm inclined to let them. The trick is to keep them from taking the whole country down along with them. |
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if the Republicans in Congress bankrupt the auto industry Nah, the UAW is doing too good a job at (contributing to) doing this. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 9:42 am) Croker and Shellby talk a big scam, it is that: a big scam. As the news comes out that the feds pay a subsidy of $5000 per employee there in the land of cotton, to Mercedes, Toyota, Nissan, Honda and etc...then the $45.00 per hour (plus health benefits, plus land subsidies,plus additional tax concessions) don't look so cheap. There's more to the Croker/Shellby scam and it will be revealled soon. Just wait for the AFL/CIO and The Teamsters to get involved. It's gonna be a mobfest on Croker and Shellby. Even smilin' Jack can see this coming. Good bye GOP! Thank your southern carpet shaggin stars! Your greed got ya caught! The Republicans that have been the most vocal against helping the auto sector have been southern and from the states with large foreign auto manufacturers. I guess it is natural that they would try and protect these large foreign employers in their states, so we cannot fault them. However, what amazes me is that these guys have any power. I guess with the Republicans now being so depleted they represent the only Republicans left. The reality is that these Republicans from Alabama, Kentucky and South Carolina represent such a small portion of both the U.S. population and the economy that it is amazing that these guys can basically dictate what this country can and cannot do. We need to find a way to neutralize these guys for the benefit of the country, although if we let them continuing to act the way they do it will be to the detriment of their own party, as they can kiss the states of Michigan, Ohio and Indiana good-bye, just like they did with Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado, and likely Arizona, with the immigration debate. Selling controlling interest in GMAC may have been real dumb now that no one wants to carry a lease on GM vehicles. Anyone holding finincials when the musical chairs ended have taken a beating. From $53 to a little over $3 a share in five years. Make a mental note not to ask Gary for stock tips. Why is Gramm's wife so important and Dingell's wife with her high paid do nothing job at GM never mentioned? Why is it never referenced that John Dingell's wife is an heiress to General Motors and Texaco? She ain't exactly doing it for the money. Ya think they, the Dingell's, care about their state? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/25/debbie-dingell-john-wife/ http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9901EFD81031F931A15750C0A96F95826- 0&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/D/Dingell,%20John%20D.
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