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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 21, 2008 9:50 am)  -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 6:49 pm) You keep mistaking the UAW for a Union. The UAW are a bunch of greedy bums that will destroy the US automakers rather than take a cut in pay or benefits. And don't go pointing your finger at me. I have taken cuts in pay when the economy was crappy. All the UAW did was stick it to the new hires while the old timers hung onto their featherbedding ways. You are in a very small minority in this country. It has nothing to do with Midwestern workforce. Toyota has got workers at their plant in Indiana that know how to assemble a vehicle that all fits nicely. Yet their fellow Indiana UAW workers cannot manage to put a truck together that the doors fit close enough to keep the wind from whistling through. Then you would blame it on the customer for not wanting to get stuck with a substandard vehicle. GM and the UAW have had a long time to get their act together and they have failed MISERABLY!!! Two models out of a hundred is not much to brag about. |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 21, 2008 7:49 pm) Well, you're wrong. I have a grown daughter & a young grandson. I'd like to see him grow up as a free citizen of a country where he won't be strong-armed into supporting the bailout of an industry that apparently can't pay its own way. There are a whole bunch of charities to which my wife & I have contributed generously from our modest middle-class income for many years. Why do you think that your pet charity - the domestic auto industry - is more deserving of our money than the causes that matter to us? |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 6:49 pm) That is so much baloney. We have higher tariffs protecting the Big 3 than any major country. Even with the 25% tariff on foreign built trucks GM cannot make a profit. There is also a 2.5% tariff on all imported cars to the USA. If the UAW workers are only 1% of the cost of a new car the B3 should be rolling in profit with that tariff levied against foreign autos. What country is blocking our cars with tariffs? You have any data or is it just hearsay from UAW distortion of the facts? PS You like to throw in Chinese made goods. We don't have any Chinese cars yet. If GM cannot compete against the Japanese, How the heck will they compete against China and India? |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 21, 2008 6:24 pm) Nice to say and hard to do. That will take excellent products that can be sold at a profit. Something that the D3 have not been able to do at all recently. What are the game-changers that will make it different? |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 6:55 pm) 
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 8:08 pm) Well given that the UAW on average is less educated than many other fields, what are you saying about them? 
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 21, 2008 4:51 pm) Q: Some senators have criticized the UAW workers’ contracts as too lucrative. How do you respond to that? A: It’s just the excuses they’re using to be able to put a dagger into the heart of the labor movement. Labor is 10 percent of the cost to produce a vehicle. That includes all the pensions and health care for our retirees and it includes everything for the active person. . . . All the rest of it is either the research and development or the steel or the parts that all comes into it. Now we’re willing to sit down and talk about things, but this garbage about, you have to take lower wages — the wages and benefits have been negotiated for years. The only reason that the wages and benefits are the same or very close to being the same in the [foreign-brand] factories in Alabama, in Kentucky, in Tennessee, is because the UAW is here. If the UAW goes away, do they really think the wages and benefits are going to stay where they are? Absolutely not. http://www.buffalonews.com/145/story/529299.html
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 21, 2008 6:55 pm) Many patriots are against the current war in Iraq. However, those folks in Washington don't care and bill them regardless. Maybe those folks who have no children have heartburn about paying school taxes. Certainly many lobbies are in Washington looking for handouts (including organized labor/UAW). There is no end to the role govt plays in this society. They spend you pay. Its that simple. Regardless if you benefit or not. Don't get me started on welfare for the rich. Stadiums/arenas for rich folks who have found a way to avoid the risk inherent to being an entrepreneur.
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 21, 2008 10:40 am) Knowledge is superior to ignorance. First of all I work in aerospace and defense. Yeah, business is good. Then too I have outside interests. Multifaceted and have invested very well. My offspring went to private schools. Sorry I don't fit your typical stereotype of the UAW worker. Sorry the GOP has let America and you down, supply side, trickle down, and silly tax breaks have this nation in dire economic straits. Then again I live in a rather affluent area and assume your depression is due to your environment. All I hear from you is problems and no solutions. While I don't like front wheel drive cars or anything Toyota/Honda has to offer, BMW might have something that I may be interested in. If that price is right. Maybe even a Porsche. Or perhaps a two seater Lexus with the orange leather interior. They want way too much for that one, more than $50,000. Unfortunately I have acquired a taste for fine cars and the Cadillac CTS is priced right with the right options. I was all for the Catera, which is small and delivers ride, performance, and creature comforts such as Recarro seats, Bose sound. But a stripped down econo box is stupid and rides more like the mechanical bull at Gilleys/Billy Bobs. By the way Rocky mentioned Norway as better than any for national health care. However, everything American is the best, except for the autos, according to you. |
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