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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 7:08 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 19, 2008 9:04 pm) I will agree with that.....I had a customer I've been dealing with who claims a Camcord, is so much better made than our Saturn Aura. He was shopping the Camcord vs. our Vue!!!  Yeah, go figure!!! The guy wanted something for nothing and trashed our Aura, and yes I had the guts to ask him where he was getting his data and the names Edmunds.com, Motor Trend, Road & Track, and Consumer Reports, were the filthy words he spewed out of his mouth. He said the 2009' Aura, isn't as reliable or won't last him as long as a camcord, even though the data states all of the cars made today are within a few points within each other. I lost the deal to Toyota, thanks to the above but might of kept him in our collection of dealers. This guy was being a difficult jerk and only wanted prices. I want your best price. Wouldn't test drive an Aura, to give it a chance and we went on a couple of VUE test drives. One a 09' Greenline, w/ premium pkg and the other a 09' 4 cylinder with the premium pkg. Then his excuse was they were too expensive. I will note that this guy wanted to pull his 3300 lbs boat and our VUE 4 Cylinder is only capable of 2500 pounds unless he moves up to the V6 which would get him 3500 lbs.  That wasn't good enough because he would lose 2 gallons in fuel economy. I've had some very flaky customers like him lately. The guy was nice for the most part and I built rapport with him because he use to work for Saturn, as a chemist and was on the team that invented the plastic dent resistant door panels but now works at a local university. It was a tough week last week in sales because it wouldn't stop snowing!!! Arrrrggghhh!!! -Rocky |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 21, 2008 7:31 pm) -Rocky |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 21, 2008 5:20 pm) First what would need to be ramped up. If the D3 quit making cars the Imports could meet the challenge of 10 million without getting into a sweat. My problem with the D3 is PROFIT. GM has not made a decent profit in 20 years. They have an unsustainable business model. And the worst part is they cut corners on content of their vehicles. And especially their trucks. The very vehicles that made them money. Well they lost me after buying 5 straight GM trucks in a row. And their latest are the worst for tinny noisy trucks. I had an 88, 90, 93 & 98/99 that were all exceptional trucks. Naturally when I bought a new truck in 2005 it was a GM. It was a tinny truck. Sheet metal as thin as aluminum foil. Poor fit and finish. It was the only one of the 5 built here in the USA by UAW workers. I say let GM die. They won't screw me on another truck. PS It took me 43 years to forgive Toyota for the problems I had with my 1964 Land Cruiser. I am not thrilled with this Sequoia. I don't think GM will be around long enough for me to forgive and forget.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 21, 2008 8:50 am)  -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 5:49 pm) You keep mistaking the UAW for a Union. The UAW are a bunch of greedy bums that will destroy the US automakers rather than take a cut in pay or benefits. And don't go pointing your finger at me. I have taken cuts in pay when the economy was crappy. All the UAW did was stick it to the new hires while the old timers hung onto their featherbedding ways. You are in a very small minority in this country. It has nothing to do with Midwestern workforce. Toyota has got workers at their plant in Indiana that know how to assemble a vehicle that all fits nicely. Yet their fellow Indiana UAW workers cannot manage to put a truck together that the doors fit close enough to keep the wind from whistling through. Then you would blame it on the customer for not wanting to get stuck with a substandard vehicle. GM and the UAW have had a long time to get their act together and they have failed MISERABLY!!! Two models out of a hundred is not much to brag about. |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 21, 2008 6:49 pm) Well, you're wrong. I have a grown daughter & a young grandson. I'd like to see him grow up as a free citizen of a country where he won't be strong-armed into supporting the bailout of an industry that apparently can't pay its own way. There are a whole bunch of charities to which my wife & I have contributed generously from our modest middle-class income for many years. Why do you think that your pet charity - the domestic auto industry - is more deserving of our money than the causes that matter to us? |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 5:49 pm) That is so much baloney. We have higher tariffs protecting the Big 3 than any major country. Even with the 25% tariff on foreign built trucks GM cannot make a profit. There is also a 2.5% tariff on all imported cars to the USA. If the UAW workers are only 1% of the cost of a new car the B3 should be rolling in profit with that tariff levied against foreign autos. What country is blocking our cars with tariffs? You have any data or is it just hearsay from UAW distortion of the facts? PS You like to throw in Chinese made goods. We don't have any Chinese cars yet. If GM cannot compete against the Japanese, How the heck will they compete against China and India? |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 21, 2008 5:24 pm) Nice to say and hard to do. That will take excellent products that can be sold at a profit. Something that the D3 have not been able to do at all recently. What are the game-changers that will make it different? |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 21, 2008 5:55 pm) 
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