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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 17, 2008 11:55 am) |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 17, 2008 2:04 pm) The UAW has not given up enough to make GM profitable. GM lost $38 billion last year when 16.9 million vehicles were sold. So the economy is not a valid argument. They lost billions every year for the last 4 years while the imports were making billions. Wagoner and Mullaly should not have been making millions while their companies were bleeding red ink. Then you are the one defending Wagoner. When he is the guy that has run GM into the ground the last 14 years. Never made a decent profit ONE YEAR since he took over the company. How can you consider that a good CEO? I guess you gauge performance on how much you sold out to the Union. Not how much money the company made.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 17, 2008 7:56 am) 11/08 11/07 y/08 y/07 Yaris (I) ........................................ 4,545 5,448 97,911 79,322 Fit (I)............................................. 4,909 5,361 74,755 51,314 Aveo (I) ........................................ 3,321 5,185 53,103 60,705 Total Civic..................................... 17,690 25,141 321,987 303,905 up for the yr, but down significantly for the month Total Corolla/Matrix ..................... 21,807 25,012 328,878 342,808 same here Cobalt........................................... 6,319 13,629 175,259 183,029 down for both Malibu.......................................... 9,469 7,210 160,898 116,140 UP for both Total Accord................................. 17,430 28,161 350,441 360,976 DOWN for both, but high sales anyway Total Camry.................................. 25,224 35,409 411,342 434,277 same here
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If there were no UAW, would the fall to bankruptcy been the same, faster or non-existent? My take is it would have happened anyway due to the structure and product issues but perhaps the products would have been built better due to higher investment in product as opposed to labor. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 17, 2008 4:29 pm) The Big 3 probably would have been hurting but not in bailout territory yet. |
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 17, 2008 4:29 pm) If there was no UAW there would not be 100s of 1000s of retirees that just keep hanging in there with their gold plated health care. The rest of US retirees are stuck with cheapo Medicare that gives minimal health care. We won't live as long. How many UAW retirees are on life support to keep that fat retirement check rolling in? Reality is most health care plans have a lifetime maximum. Our Teamster plan was a million bucks. That is about good for a kidney transplant and one hip replacement. Then you are on your own. Without the billions spent each year on legacy costs GM would be better off. Without the super restrictive work rules GM would have been able to build state of the art factories here in the USA. Sure the workers would be making more like the average worker in the USA. But GM would not be begging for a handout from the tax payers. Think how degrading it had to be for Wagoner to drive that Volt to DC. Stopping every 40 miles to charge the batteries 
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 17, 2008 5:19 pm) I wonder how he got back. Drove? Commercial? Luxury jet? |
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Gettelfinger was interviewed by phone on Campbell Brown on Cnn which rarely watch anything on. He was reluctant to admit that during the plant shutdowns (he caused) the workers will be paid a large, almost whole, fraction of their wages. She asked him the question again. And he sort of acknowledged that. But he kept saying they had to do certain things. I assume he meant like apply for unemployment insurance. I assume their medical insurance is paid also during these shutdowns. Of course the plants shut down already for 2 weeks during the holidays, don't they. Gettelfinger keeps losing me with his evasion and lack of helpfulness here. I think we need federal government to eliminate the agreements that are costing so much for our home auto companies.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 17, 2008 6:01 am) Health spending accounts are also going to be popular for this next generation. Municipals bonds are for the super rich, since they pay poorly, but are exempt from taxation. |
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 17, 2008 6:46 am) RIGHT AP Online 08-31-1999 Former GM Supervisors Charged FLINT, Mich. (AP) -- Three former General Motors supervisors were charged with scheming to get more than $2 million in kickbacks and gifts from companies that did business with the automaker. Investigators said the suspects, who no longer work for GM, told suppliers to raise prices on goods and services and submit fake bills. The suppliers were then paid by GM and kick backed a payment to the three suspects. The vendors also gave the supervisors gifts such as trips to Las Vegas, motorcycles and a tanning salon membership to keep GM business, investigators told The Flint Journal.
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