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Re: Even with competitive wages [62vetteefp] by chikoo
Dec 17, 2008 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 4:20 am)

>Are you legally "required" to get a SSN??? If you do all your dealings in cash, can it be traced???
 
Good question.
 
What about the family living in the woods? One of those tribal families?
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [rockylee] by chikoo
Dec 17, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 17, 2008 7:00 am)

Perception: GM does not know how to make small cars.
  
Reality: GM knows darn well how to make small cars. It's been doing so for decades in Europe, South America and Asia. The problem is, absent high fuel prices, GM has no earthly idea how to get Americans to buy small cars -- at a profit to GM.

 
What is this supposed to mean? If they know how to sell small cars at a profit in other parts of the world, how come it cannot do so in their own backyard?
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [lemko] by gagrice
Dec 17, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 17, 2008 7:55 am)

I think the Corvair was one of GM's best efforts at a fuel efficient car. Too bad that hack Nader killed it for them, before they refined the handling.
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [rockylee] by chikoo
Dec 17, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 17, 2008 8:06 am)

> I don't understand how you can blame so much on the UAW, for GM's woes!!! GM, yes made mistakes as did the UAW.
 
Everybody is blaming the GM management and UAW for the mess.
At least the GM management is owning up to it and willing to work for peanuts as repentance. What does UAW do? It had only 3 words......"Go !#% Off" ?
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [imidazol97] by jimbres
Dec 17, 2008 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 17, 2008 7:29 am)

In fact they need to harness the transplants and have them help fund the problem they have caused.
 
I don't understand this at all. What "problems" have the transplants caused? They've built factories here in the U.S. & hired American workers. Would you prefer that foreign manufacturers build all of the cars that they sell here in Germany & Japan?
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [gagrice] by lemko
Dec 17, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 17, 2008 8:40 am)

They fixed the problems with the swing axles by 1964 and further refined it with the 1965 redesign. The 1965-69 Corvair was a beautiful car that should have been further developed. Maybe we wouldn't have had to suffer the Vega as a result. The 1968-74 Nova was another excellent small car by GM. Just about everybody I knew had one. I remember my cousin's 1971 model.
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [lemko] by jimbres
Dec 17, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 17, 2008 7:55 am)

If anything, GM was the first to pursue more fuel-efficient vehicles among the Big Three. GM radically downsized its full-size B and C bodies in 1977 and their A bodies in 1978.
 
Agreed. That was a real engineering feat. So why couldn't GM reprise that 25 years later? That tells me that GM is not nearly as well run today as it was back in the 70s.
 
You've given me one more reason (as if I needed it) to believe that only Chapter 11 reorganization will save GM & restore it to its former vibrancy.
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [gagrice] by 62vetteefp
Dec 17, 2008 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 17, 2008 7:56 am)

I do agree that Americans are knee jerk buyers. The imports such as Corolla and Civic are still doing even better than 2007 YTD.
 
But as I posted elsewhere they are both down about 70% from last year for November while GM pick ups are down only 15% or so. Gas went down, little cars plummeted.
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Re: Even with competitive wages [gagrice] by snookered
Dec 17, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 12:40 pm)

Pensions held accountable? Really? How, especially if the funds are bad investments or fradulant. How will they be held accountable, with little or no money.
Madoff did not only buy into hedge funds. He merely used other peole's money to pay off others debts as in a Ponzi Scheme. And not only greedy people. millions of life long savings of elderly trying to survive.
We will wait to see how the scum Madoff held accountable. He is the greedy on, Sir.
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Re: Perceptions of Detroit Are Miles From Reality [jimbres] by grbeck
Dec 17, 2008 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 17, 2008 8:47 am)

It's the transplants' fault that GM, Ford and Chrysler built vehicles that were less desirable to a large chunk of the car-buying public. This caused their sales to fall.
 
It's the transplants' fault that most retail customers would rather buy Camrys and Accords than Malibus, Impalas and LaCrosses.
 
It's the transplants' fault that the UAW demanded, and management agreed to give, lavish pay and benefits for blue-collar workers.
 
It's the transplants' fault that, when faced with falling sales, declining market share and mounting losses, the domestics opted not to do anything about their uncompetitive cost structure, which stemmed in large part from this compensation package, until the last minute, which was too late.
 
It's the transplants' fault that the domestics ignored passenger cars until the last 2-3 years, and focused on large trucks and SUVs, in part because these vehicles generated the large profit margins necessary to support the uncompetitive cost structure.
 
It's the transplants' fault that GM bungled an agreement with Fiat that cost the company roughly $4 billion a few years ago.
 
It's the transplants' fault that GM sunk development money into the Solstice/Sky, SSR and XLR instead of high-quality subcompacts.
 
It's the transplants' fault that GM decided to import two cars - the Pontiac G8 and Saturn Astra - that it could never hope to make much, if any, money on in a volatile market.
 
Well, it's also the fault of Consumer Reports, The New York Times, Walmart, Japanese currency manipulation and the Chinese (even though they don't sell a single vehicle here)...
 
As a regular poster, you should know by now that when discussing the domestic auto industry, it's important to remember that nothing is ever the fault of the Big Three or the UAW.

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