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Re: Even with competitive wages [gagrice] by snookered
Dec 16, 2008 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 12:35 pm)

You people don't read! I said they DON'T HAVE TO pay into SS. No one gave me this information. I was a Purchasing Agent for a Large Municipality in Florida. I paid ONLY into the Pension. I left after five years, received a lump sum from Pension. I do not now receive SS as I did not pay into it. I will however be able to receive SS after a age of 62.
I do wish that I had chosen to pay into SS also. Since that I am 100% Disabled Veteran and unable to get SSD.
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Re: Even with competitive wages [gagrice] by fezo
Dec 16, 2008 (3:13 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 2:22 pm)

Yeah, I work in county government in New Jersey and have paid into Social Security my whole working life. In theory once I retire my pension plus Social Security should come pretty close to my last salary. I've seen it do that and miss that depending on the person's contributions.
 
I'll know what happens with me in four years and a month if I go at 62.
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Re: cooter [gagrice] by explorerx4
Dec 16, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 15, 2008 8:37 pm)

there are plenty of areas of detroit that are just trashed.
i saw a group of houses that had 1 exterior wall painted a dull orange.
all had had fires. not sure if it was related.
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from detroit via new orleans by explorerx4
Dec 16, 2008 (3:21 pm)
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detroit free press article
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Re: from detroit via new orleans [explorerx4] by gagrice
Dec 16, 2008 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 16, 2008 3:21 pm)

Let's just say that since logic hasn't worked, we should fall back on a simple moral argument.
 
He makes a point in spite of his being all wet. We should not rebuild New Orleans any more than we should save GM from their inability to build cars people want and make a profit doing so. Rebuilding homes in a floodplain is very much like giving money to the Big 3. A huge waste of resources.
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Re: In the background [tlong] by dallasdude1
Dec 16, 2008 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 16, 2008 9:08 am)

just read somewhere
 
Thats pathetic if you can't name this source.
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Re: In the background [dallasdude1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 16, 2008 4:44 pm)

This is the link I stumbled on looking for the current Jobs Bank number. 12,000 was the number in '05; I haven't looked to see what the number was a year ago or the year before that.
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Re: In the background [dallasdude1] by tlong
Dec 16, 2008 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 16, 2008 4:44 pm)

Thats pathetic if you can't name this source.
 
fyi I was quoting another poster.
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Re: In the background [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 16, 2008 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 4:59 pm)

The bottom line, it has cost the B3 $4.2 billion in the last 3 years for the jobs bank. Not sure if that included jelly donuts and comic books for those bozos to read in the rubber rooms. The real sad part is they were given the opportunity to get additional education in lieu of sitting in a room collecting their wages. The WSJ article I read claimed only a small percentage took advantage of that offer. This was an article at least 3 years ago.
 
Here is a chart on how much money has gone down the jobs bank rat hole.
 
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/12/cost-of-jobs-bank-2005-2008-4200000000.html
 
from steve's article:
WAYNE -- Ken Pool is making good money. On weekdays, he shows up at 7 a.m. at Ford Motor Co.'s Michigan Truck Plant in Wayne, signs in, and then starts working -- on a crossword puzzle. Pool hates the monotony, but the pay is good: more than $31 an hour, plus benefits.
 
"We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I've just sat."
 
Pool is one of more than 12,000 American autoworkers who, instead of installing windshields or bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the hours in a jobs bank set up by Detroit automakers and Delphi Corp. as part of an extraordinary job security agreement with the United Auto Workers union.

 
More lies from Gettlefinger. He claimed that UAW workers topped at $28 while Toyota paid $32. Well unless this guy was lying he was sitting on his duff making $31+ per hour.
 
Then the bigger question is how many guys do they have in these plants that are there just to change a light bulb when it burns out? Just sitting the rest of the day. All because of restrictive job classifications.
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Re: Even with competitive wages [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Dec 16, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 12:35 pm)

There is no legal way to get out of paying into Social Security.
 
Teachers don't pay into SS, they have their own form of SS. I taught for two years and upon leaving I asked for my money back and got a check.

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