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spin cycle by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (2:21 pm)
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(thanks Jimbres)
 
"The UAW leadership has given one cutback after another to the auto bosses since president Ron Gettelfinger took office in 2002.
 
In 2002, 2005 and 2007 the UAW gave up health benefits and agreed to sweeping wage cuts. These concessions include two-tier pay levels so that newly hired workers are making under $14 per hour.
 
Now as profits and stock values plummet for GM, Chrysler and Ford, the ruling class has initiated a full-throttled campaign to blame "rich auto workers" for the crisis facing the companies. Politicians and the corporate media have demanded the auto workers’ union surrender every advance won through decades of organizing, picketing and strikes, including during the heroic era of the sit-down strikes in the mid-1930s."
 
Lessons for labor: capitulation is not the only way (Party for Socialism and Liberation - nice graphic of Che on their site too )
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Re: Even with competitive wages [bumpy] by gagrice
Dec 16, 2008 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 16, 2008 1:31 pm)

It just goes to prove there are no absolutes. I think the idea was to make sure everyone had some kind of pension.
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Re: Even with competitive wages [gagrice] by snookered
Dec 16, 2008 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 12:35 pm)

You people don't read! I said they DON'T HAVE TO pay into SS. No one gave me this information. I was a Purchasing Agent for a Large Municipality in Florida. I paid ONLY into the Pension. I left after five years, received a lump sum from Pension. I do not now receive SS as I did not pay into it. I will however be able to receive SS after a age of 62.
I do wish that I had chosen to pay into SS also. Since that I am 100% Disabled Veteran and unable to get SSD.
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Re: Even with competitive wages [gagrice] by fezo
Dec 16, 2008 (3:13 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 2:22 pm)

Yeah, I work in county government in New Jersey and have paid into Social Security my whole working life. In theory once I retire my pension plus Social Security should come pretty close to my last salary. I've seen it do that and miss that depending on the person's contributions.
 
I'll know what happens with me in four years and a month if I go at 62.
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Re: cooter [gagrice] by explorerx4
Dec 16, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 15, 2008 8:37 pm)

there are plenty of areas of detroit that are just trashed.
i saw a group of houses that had 1 exterior wall painted a dull orange.
all had had fires. not sure if it was related.
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from detroit via new orleans by explorerx4
Dec 16, 2008 (3:21 pm)
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detroit free press article
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Re: from detroit via new orleans [explorerx4] by gagrice
Dec 16, 2008 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 16, 2008 3:21 pm)

Let's just say that since logic hasn't worked, we should fall back on a simple moral argument.
 
He makes a point in spite of his being all wet. We should not rebuild New Orleans any more than we should save GM from their inability to build cars people want and make a profit doing so. Rebuilding homes in a floodplain is very much like giving money to the Big 3. A huge waste of resources.
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Re: In the background [tlong] by dallasdude1
Dec 16, 2008 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 16, 2008 9:08 am)

just read somewhere
 
Thats pathetic if you can't name this source.
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Re: In the background [dallasdude1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 16, 2008 4:44 pm)

This is the link I stumbled on looking for the current Jobs Bank number. 12,000 was the number in '05; I haven't looked to see what the number was a year ago or the year before that.
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Re: In the background [dallasdude1] by tlong
Dec 16, 2008 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 16, 2008 4:44 pm)

Thats pathetic if you can't name this source.
 
fyi I was quoting another poster.

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