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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 4:43 pm) In 1930 GDP fell 9.4% In 1931 GDP fell 8.5% In 1932 GDP fell 13.4% FDR took office in March 1933 In 1933 GDP fell 2.1% In 1934 GDP rose 7.7% In 1935 GDP rose 8.1% In 1936 GDP rose 14.1% In 1937 GDP rose 5.0% In 1938 GDP fell 4.5% In 1939 GDP rose 7.9% Only problem is that you need to compare those figures to figures from 1921-28, with an adjustment for inflation, to get a real idea of whether Roosevelt's policies brought back a true recovery. The economy had contracted so much from 1929-1933 that the increases in the mid-1930s were from a very low base...and still didn't bring the economy back to where it was in the mid-1920s. The economy was limping along until the stimulus of war production brought about a recovery in 1940-41. And unemployment was still in the double digits throughout the 1930s.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 7:17 pm) The footnotes to that chart explain how the measurement of the unemployment rate has changed over the years. Estimates prior to 1940 are based on sources other than direct enumeration. Data prior to 1948 are for persons age 14 and over. Data beginning in 1948 are for persons age 16 and over. Beginning in January 2006, data are not strictly comparable with data for 2005 and earlier years because of the revisions in the population controls used in the household survey. So, I'm not seeing any change in the measurement from the 1920s to the eve of World War II - the relevant period for the sake of determining the effectiveness of Roosevelt's New Deal policies - that skews the results or makes comparisons impossible. |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 15, 2008 7:48 am)  Speaking of Detroit theaters, the Michigan has been nicely repurposed: 
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Not really; more like a sabbatical on partial pay: GM's Vauxhall Offers Workers Innovative Furlough Plan (AutoObserver) I'm assuming this includes line workers and not just white collar employees. |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 15, 2008 7:48 am) may be admirable, but really have nothing to do with what makes Detroit tick, or, what used to make Detroit tick...I have been to the Fox...nice place...so what??? The best way to see Detroit is in your rear view mirror...I defy ANYONE to find anything good to say about the City of Detroit, and rocky doesn't count... I think I found good things to say about Detroit. Theater is vibrant and Detroit has some of the best places to go. Thats what.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 15, 2008 9:43 am) To make those image links work you have to find a picture linked to just an URL. Sometimes you can right click on a website photo and open in a new window/tab and just the pic shows up. Now hit the img button, paste the link and then close it by hitting the img buttan again. If a jpeg or other kind of file comes up and not a web link it will not work. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 15, 2008 10:02 am) |
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Replying to: rexy44 (Dec 13, 2008 8:43 pm) Hard work is always appreciated, but that does not translate to a "tenure" where everything is guaranteed. For the education I have, I am sure you would also appreciate that it did not come free, in terms of dollars and sacrifice. In order to get my higher education, I studied nights and weekends, effectively making my kids prisoners in my own home, when I could have been taking them on vacations and theme parks all those time. Instead, they watched TV at home, while I studied in the library and/or bedroom. My first job in this country started in December in NJ. I had no car since I did not have money to get the lessons. I used to walk, along the highways, to work with a fat long jacket adorned, that I got at a Burlington coat factory on clearance. Nobody has had it easy, except for very few kids of rich parents. If anybody is under that impression that they deserve it more than others, let him/her be enlightened. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 14, 2008 7:11 am) >Education is an asset and most certainly will get you more out of life. The great minds, those who can do the math and science, aren't just a matter of going to school. Hello....I said Intelligent class of people. Education does not always translate to intelligence, but then there is no other standard for anybody to measure up somebody else. The best businessmen are not a result of a Harvard MBA. They can only be CEO, COO.....etc. Most great businesses are founded by intelligent people who would rather start working on their business than "waste" time getting a diploma or a degree. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 14, 2008 7:11 am) From here only. I do not know any UAW person on my own. That said, I am not against the UAW guy making good money. One should get paid what the market can bear. To demand a pay that goes against market sense, is nonsensical. |
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