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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 14, 2008 8:51 am) All that being said we then too must acknowledge that being human entails flaws as well. Many folks are quick to point out these flaws and or lack of character, rather than looking for the positive. A smart man/woman would do some behavior modification, positive reenforcement, and or something subtle to encourage the positive or discourage the negative traits/behavior. We all can change things if we set our minds to it. Employers can create an atmosphere that respects others for their differences and brings people together to innovate. My employer stresses that I should never forget whom I work for. I work for that soldier out in harms way. Hence, we have common ground and I'll go above and beyond their expectations. Refuse to envy others and or pass judgment on coworkers. Its been a blessing to work with others who nurture one another's ideas, all the while respecting differences. Belittling anyone is just another way to massage ones own ego and counter productive. Great post. |
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Dec 14, 2008 8:23 am) I'm not opposed to change and or the evolution of things to come. However, not in such a rapid manner that doesn't allow the transition to go more smoothly. One can look at manufacturing moving south to avoid unions/high wages, only to become unionized again. The rust belt did not shut down. Do you think that China has aspirations of becoming the manufacturing country of the world? How long will it take China to dominate the auto industry? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 14, 2008 8:18 am) Unfortunately financial intelligence is not universal either. That is a problem across all levels of income and educations. To many scenarios like that plaguing our economy. About 6 years ago I was selling boats as job between jobs and I remember trying to finance people with 6 figure incomes that didn't have the credit left to charge a pack of gum. Many of these were business owners, doctors and lawyers. I remember a surgeon knocking down $35k/mo that was trying to finance a $200k boat. He was in debt up to his eyeballs and I couldn't get him financed. This type of scenario was common, I spent more time trying to get banks to finance loans than I did trying to sell features of boat, which I enjoyed, not calling low life bankers. Many times I just wanted to say, you have no business buying anything, much less a boat, but that wouldn't help me pay my bills. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 14, 2008 8:18 am) Come on Gary. They pick one case. A black man at that. If he make top scale $28 and hour. Thats less than $60,000 a year. So therefore he must still be working overtime, just not as much. I'm starting to believe they like to sensationalize news in order to sell newspapers. There are lots of folks out there who live beyond reason. To say that the UAW workers are the only ones or that all UAW workers mismanage their money is just not true. I know many who have up-wards of a million in their 401K plans. I personally wrote a hardship letter for a UAW member with five children. So that his family could get a five bedroom home and move from their 1300 square foot (paid off) home. He had over a half a million and wanted to use $200,000 of his 401K money to give his family more room. So some UAW workers live an frugal lifestyle. This is the very reason privatization of social security is a bad idea. While many could and would do well, some would self destroy.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 14, 2008 9:34 am) Today, he is unemployed, living in my girlfriend's mother's house, his fancy house in CT has been foreclosed, he's in massive credit card debt, his wife is leaving him, his kids won't talk to him, his E-Class Mercedes was repossessed, he has to take the bus or get a ride in my hooptie, is dirt poor and living on our charity, and our patience with him is wearing thinner than an apple peel. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 14, 2008 9:34 am) On the flip side, I remember an article about several years ago, maybe like 10, about a black fork lift driver for Ford that was in his 70's making $100k with the o/t he worked. I think it may have either been in WSJ or Detroit Free Press, I can't remember. He drove a 10 year old Escort, put all of his kids through college and donated nearly $1million to some black college, even though he himself didn't graduate from high school. It was a great article. Here, this is not the original article I remember, but it describes this very generous and I think incredible person. forklift driver I'm starting to believe they like to sensationalize news in order to sell newspapers. No doubt about that |
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"A 50% reduction in the Big Three's domestic operations, for instance, would result in 2.5 million people losing their jobs, according to the Center for Automotive Research"... On its face, this may be true, but at the rate folks are deserting the Big 3 (for quality, UAW or management, I don't care why) for what they believe to be the "better" imports, those same jobs will be lost any way... On the flip side, all that does is try and justify giving the money to the Big 3 simply to maintain the FACADE of a manufacturing company, who will continue to make a product that no one wants to buy...so, as millions of cars line up on dealers lots that no one wants, how soon before we simply tow the new cars to a landfill (the City of Detroit might as well be used, it has been a toxic waste dump since 1980 when I was there) and let them continue to keep the lines running so people look like they are working?????????????? It has to end sometime...they need to file Ch 11 and dump the UAW...the cost of their cars will probably drop by 25% overnight, and with all the illegals making the cars, they at least have a work ethic, and could be trained to make a better product in about a week... The "entitlement" attitude of the average auto worker would put the average sports hero to shame...they think they can do no wrong, when they are about to be jettisoned to find out they will do nothing anymore... If ever a lump labor force needed elimination, it is the UAW... The auto industry will survive just fine, but the union must go...it is kinda like a cruise ship...just get rid of the people drilling the holes in the hull, and the remainder of the ship will do just fine...the UAW is the "hole driller"... |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 14, 2008 10:38 am) I sort of picture the UAW workers as the grunts down in the engine room who keep pumping oil on all the camshafts. All of a sudden they wonder what the big grinding noise coming from topside is, while the ship slows down. Guess who's in the life rafts with the parachutes? 
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 14, 2008 11:01 am) LOL, well not really. I would add the UAW in the radio room frantically sending SOS messages on the Marconi telegraph until overtaken by incoming seawater.
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