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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm) Bob, that was my point. I work in Providence, RI. There are 3 Providences; the toney East Side, home to Brown University, "Downcity" where the business district is, and the rest of the city, which ranges from lower middle class to slums. But I live in Bristol, which is a world away, even though I'm 15 miles from Prov. I would NEVER move to Prov. Too many problems. I would assume that most people who work in Detroit for the Big 3 live elsewhere, where property taxes may be lower, and the neighborhoods worlds better. but I assume that the property values would be higher, thus comparing more favorable to Huntsville. And income taxes......well. I may not make sense, but I don't have a law degree either. Just a humble phone guy of 40. Maybe I've eaten too much lead in my career. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 4:14 pm) If they're raking in $100K, then they must be working TONS of OT. I make more than that, and won't come close to $100K |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 5:30 pm) |
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From cnn.money today: "States and cities around the nation are already slashing budgets and services as the deepening economic downturn shrinks their coffers. To close their budget gaps, governments are cutting public health programs, reducing aid to public school and universities, and laying off workers. Problems in the auto industry are only exacerbating this turmoil. Not only have nearly 800,000 people lost car-related jobs this year, accounting for 40% of the increase in unemployment, but auto sales are at a 26-year low and at least 660 dealerships have closed their doors. This means state and local governments are collecting less in personal income taxes, corporate business taxes and sales taxes -- all critical to funding their operations. State tax revenue fell 2.6%, when adjusted for inflation, in the third quarter, according to preliminary figures from the Rockefeller Institute of Government. "If we see a significant falloff in employment and a continued decline in auto sales, the states are really going to see it and feel it," said Scott Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers. "It just hits so many sources of revenue." Collapse would hit states hard Any additional weakening of the auto industry would further reduce government revenues, while increasing the amount the public sector has to lay out for unemployment benefits, welfare and Medicaid, experts said. A 50% reduction in the Big Three's domestic operations, for instance, would result in 2.5 million people losing their jobs, according to the Center for Automotive Research. That would drain $20.5 billion in personal income taxes at the federal, state and local levels in 2009, while forcing the public sector to spend an additional $11.9 billion in benefits. Every state would feel the impact. Even if only GM, the most troubled of the automakers, shut down, 914,000 jobs would be lost nationwide, according to the Economic Policy Institute. This includes people who work in the plants, in auto suppliers and in businesses that support the industry, such as nearby restaurants and shops. Of course, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio would be among the hardest hit, losing 2.5%, 1.4% and 1.1% of each state's total employment, respectively, the institute found. But all would see some decline in jobs, with Alabama losing 1.1% of its state workforce and New Hampshire shedding 0.6%." Keep killing American auto industry When we are all devastated, at least we can be glad we didn't buy the '74 Vega |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 6:34 pm) good post dave. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 6:34 pm) Go tell the UAW and Mr. Scuttlefinger that. Apparently, they would rather see the losses you mentioned rather than be prudent. No wonder he is a labor class guy. If he had settled for an instant paycut, they would have had the loan as we discuss this.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 6:34 pm) As retired UAW worker I kinda doubt half you jerks know how long a grind it is for a blue collar in a factory hs to pick crap with the chickens before he/she gets to a UAW factory job that pays that "$23-28" an hr. And how many times they have had to stand the picket lines in blizzards/blistering heat to get a contract that will provide a good living for their families, pay taxs so less fortunate can have a roof and a jar pf peanut butter. When these figures are thrown around consider the fact that most is derived from incentive workers busting butt, whistle to whistle, 8-10-12 hrs a shift. Think you could do it for 30 years on concrete???? Some come out of there like busted up football players and you think they should not have a decent retirement pension and insurance ? Believe it, by far, it's not a FREE LUNCH JOB. I gave up many hourly pay raises for retaining the insurance, pension benifits that I have today. I live in a mobile home and our nuwest car is a 2003 BUICK, 98 Linc.TC, 92 Jeep, 90 Olds...GET IT! See any foriegn names there.
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 13, 2008 7:24 pm) I don't think so. I think "three little words" Senator Corker (TN) has it in for the unions and would have come up with a couple of more words if Gettelfinger had agreed to a date certain. Like "drop dead." And Sen. Shelby (AL) would be right there singing in the chorus.
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If they're raking in $100K, then they must be working TONS of OT I am sure they are. There base is closer to $65k. It would only take about 15 hours per week OT to break $100k. I worked 70+ hours per week the last 25 years on the job. 15 hours per week is nothing. I used the combined Honda, Toyo, and Nissan I added all the Japanese and miscalculated. It was only 290k. The bottom line. 746k vehicle sold and only 332k were domestic. That is about 44% for the home team. A 50% reduction in the Big Three's domestic operations, for instance, would result in 2.5 million people losing their jobs, according to the Center for Automotive Research. Last article from that group said if all three went down we would lose 2.5 - 3.0 million jobs. Now if operations are cut in half we lose 2.5 million jobs. Well sales are off close to 40% so we are already screwed according to their calculations. There is nothing on the horizon to make US believe we will gain back that percentage in the next few years if ever. Even if only GM, the most troubled of the automakers, shut down, 914,000 jobs would be lost nationwide We have already lost 800k auto related jobs. So if only GM liquidates that is only 114,000 more job losses. Ever get the idea none of these experts have a clue as to what will happen if GM shuts down? |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 13, 2008 8:45 pm) There was NO sense of conceding to a call for lower wage package in return for the bailout. Gettlefinger wants to string the tax payers along with regular bailouts. He is trying to hold the Federal Government hostage just as he and the UAW have done with the Big 3 for the last 70 years. The time has come to call their bluff. We need a Ronald Reagan with some guts to tell them enough is enough. A line worker at the Big 3 should NOT make as much as an engineer at the Big 3. EVER.... |
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