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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 1:53 pm) I listened to a salaried engineer with 33 years at GM. He claimed it was standard procedure for him to work 60 hours most weeks. No OT or comp time. Every time the UAW got raises the engineers got cut back a bit. He has no sympathy for the UAW workers and would just as soon see GM go bankrupt as to continue coddling the UAW. I think if all the UAW contracts were canceled tomorrow GM would be able to borrow all the money they need to restructure. No one with an ounce of sense would lend money with the restrictive contracts the UAW have in place at GM. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 8:08 am) The police and firefighters union is great too. And they don't produce a thing. Idle most of the time 24/7 and getting paid. More power to my brothers/sisters in uniform. The UAW is the very reason there is the biggest middle class ever in history.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 13, 2008 3:07 pm) Your total lack of understanding of what the middle class represents is showing. Most of the middle class do not make near $100k+ per year that many UAW workers make. The median income is more like $45k per year. The NON working UAW member in the jobs bank makes more than that per year. Why would you think that less than 400k UAW workers represent anything but a handful of over paid featherbedders? If the Big 3 was making large profits the UAW could justify the wages. Truth is GM has not made a decent profit in 40 years. GM has been skimming from every segment of the company to feed this UAW monster on their back. It has been draining their resources to the point they now have to beg the lower paid REAL middle class to support their addiction. GM needs a 12 step program to rid themselves of this blight on the auto industry. A cancer they have fed for all these years by signing away the future of the company with unsustainable UAW contracts.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 13, 2008 3:07 pm) You are getting delusional my friend. GM, Ford and Chrysler are the reason for the middle class. Not UAW. I don't know what these pea brained laborers think of themselves. Barely able to finish school and want the pay of an engineer or more? Get real. There is, and always will be an intelligent class of people, and a labor class. The sole purpose of the labor class is to do the bidding of the intelligent class. Sounds rude? I think so myself. But that is reality. The intelligent class of people create the business/work. The labor class only provides the means to get the work done. To even think that they deserve more than the people who are responsible for creating work for them is utterly delusional. And Obama said it right. These are the same class of people who will cling to guns and religion if things don't work out. If GM fails, all of these UAW labor class folks will be thronging to churches and coddling their guns.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 6:18 am) Just checking your November figures. I got 361,000 B3 and 332,000 for the Japanese. When you add the rest of the imports it tips to foreign preference over Domestic by about 70,000 units. That means the big 3 are selling less than 50% of US auto sales. Here is the question. How many of the import sales was in protest to the way the Big 3 management and their thug UAW leaders have approached this bailout?
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:08 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm) Bob, that was my point. I work in Providence, RI. There are 3 Providences; the toney East Side, home to Brown University, "Downcity" where the business district is, and the rest of the city, which ranges from lower middle class to slums. But I live in Bristol, which is a world away, even though I'm 15 miles from Prov. I would NEVER move to Prov. Too many problems. I would assume that most people who work in Detroit for the Big 3 live elsewhere, where property taxes may be lower, and the neighborhoods worlds better. but I assume that the property values would be higher, thus comparing more favorable to Huntsville. And income taxes......well. I may not make sense, but I don't have a law degree either. Just a humble phone guy of 40. Maybe I've eaten too much lead in my career. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 4:14 pm) If they're raking in $100K, then they must be working TONS of OT. I make more than that, and won't come close to $100K |
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