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Replying to: circlew (Dec 13, 2008 11:56 am) That would be much closer to my guess. And even then GM will need to whittle costs a bunch to make money. If GM lost $38 billion last year with 16 million cars sold. What will they lose with only 10 million sold? We are getting lied to big time. No different than CA latest boondoggle. Getting a hi speed rail system past the voters telling them it will be only $10 billion. When the truth is it will be at least $90 billion before a single run from LA to SF is completed. |
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our hospital recently sent my boss-man and I to Atlanta, GA, to go to sleep-study school. Really, no sleeping was allowed during class time.  But I have to say, their rail system(called MARTA) in that eastern city(farthest east I have ever been)was really pretty useful, easy-to-operate, and efficient. Rail is still something that can have some goodness to it, esp. in a large, urban setting. They really use it there in Atlanta. |
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Bush will not have a GM failure on his watch. No president would want that in the history books: "Destroyed an Icon of American Industrial Might' When asked to be competitive with Japanese assembly wages the UAW would not promise anything at all. They refused to allow a date for that to be set. Most auto parts going into GM cars are made by $10 an hour factory workers in small towns around the Midwest and Mid-south. There is nothing to give there. Half of those companies are near bankruptcy already. UAW wage of $28 an hour. New college grads with mechanical, electrical, industrial, or manufacturing engineering degrees no longer recruited into $26 an hour jobs at the D3. There are just layoffs coming and a hiring freeze. Not much to give there. I guess Gettlefinger thinks an engineer should give up $10 an hour and then make $12 less than a H.S. grad. Result: president will give bridge loan to D3 and it will get us to the new congress session in Feb. to resume negotiations. Suppliers owed money will get 30 cents on the dollar. GM will make all their managers back into engineers. UAW will retain upper middle class incomes and black magic will be brought in to make the D3 competitive. How else can a $12 an hour excess UAW labor cost, 650,000 retirees pensions and health care, and inability to hire new blood into the design side be offset when you have to compete with the transplants? What of these would replacing Wagoner change?
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 1:53 pm) I listened to a salaried engineer with 33 years at GM. He claimed it was standard procedure for him to work 60 hours most weeks. No OT or comp time. Every time the UAW got raises the engineers got cut back a bit. He has no sympathy for the UAW workers and would just as soon see GM go bankrupt as to continue coddling the UAW. I think if all the UAW contracts were canceled tomorrow GM would be able to borrow all the money they need to restructure. No one with an ounce of sense would lend money with the restrictive contracts the UAW have in place at GM. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 8:08 am) The police and firefighters union is great too. And they don't produce a thing. Idle most of the time 24/7 and getting paid. More power to my brothers/sisters in uniform. The UAW is the very reason there is the biggest middle class ever in history.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 13, 2008 3:07 pm) Your total lack of understanding of what the middle class represents is showing. Most of the middle class do not make near $100k+ per year that many UAW workers make. The median income is more like $45k per year. The NON working UAW member in the jobs bank makes more than that per year. Why would you think that less than 400k UAW workers represent anything but a handful of over paid featherbedders? If the Big 3 was making large profits the UAW could justify the wages. Truth is GM has not made a decent profit in 40 years. GM has been skimming from every segment of the company to feed this UAW monster on their back. It has been draining their resources to the point they now have to beg the lower paid REAL middle class to support their addiction. GM needs a 12 step program to rid themselves of this blight on the auto industry. A cancer they have fed for all these years by signing away the future of the company with unsustainable UAW contracts.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 13, 2008 3:07 pm) You are getting delusional my friend. GM, Ford and Chrysler are the reason for the middle class. Not UAW. I don't know what these pea brained laborers think of themselves. Barely able to finish school and want the pay of an engineer or more? Get real. There is, and always will be an intelligent class of people, and a labor class. The sole purpose of the labor class is to do the bidding of the intelligent class. Sounds rude? I think so myself. But that is reality. The intelligent class of people create the business/work. The labor class only provides the means to get the work done. To even think that they deserve more than the people who are responsible for creating work for them is utterly delusional. And Obama said it right. These are the same class of people who will cling to guns and religion if things don't work out. If GM fails, all of these UAW labor class folks will be thronging to churches and coddling their guns.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 13, 2008 6:18 am) Just checking your November figures. I got 361,000 B3 and 332,000 for the Japanese. When you add the rest of the imports it tips to foreign preference over Domestic by about 70,000 units. That means the big 3 are selling less than 50% of US auto sales. Here is the question. How many of the import sales was in protest to the way the Big 3 management and their thug UAW leaders have approached this bailout?
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:08 pm)
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