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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 12, 2008 7:28 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm) You lost me. Is that good or bad performance or both?
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 7:47 pm) >You lost me. Is that good or bad performance or both? r u even serious? For a knowledgeable guy like you, this question is quite unexpected. Of course it is both. Bad performance? No Bonus + No salary raise. Good performance? Salary Raise + Bonus. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 7:17 pm) Yeah, right, sure. You can keep shoveling this stuff, but don't tell us that you actually believe it. The UAW has been a problem for decades Time Magazine Detroit's Uphill Battle By Alexander Taylor;Christopher Redman;Barrett Seaman Monday, Sep. 08, 1980 Detroit's labor force abetted the industry's slide into decline. Work was often sloppy. Cars built on Mondays and Fridays were frequently defective because high absenteeism meant the job was done by less experienced fill-ins. Workers at GM's notorious Lordstown, Ohio, plant rebelled at attempts to streamline production in the early '70s and brought the factory to a halt. The United Auto Workers union did little to stem the erosion of productivity. In an attempt to win ever higher wages no matter what the product, the U.A.W. went along with the automakers' insistence on quantity over quality. It failed to push for better working conditions or lower absenteeism, which would have reduced assembly line foulups. Wrote New York Times Labor Reporter William Serrin in his book The Company and the Union: "The union is aware of the problems of absenteeism and tardiness and shoddy workmanship, but whatever it does in this area must be done with great tact, if anything is done at all." Let's skip to 1997 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0DE4DC103AF934A15752C0A96195826- - 0&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss Close to 4,100 workers went on strike against the General Motors Corporation late Saturday night at a huge sport utility vehicle assembly plant in Moraine, Ohio, the fourth big strike against the world's largest auto maker in less than a year. The International Union of Electronics Workers ordered the strike at midnight on Saturday after workers voted on Friday night against ratification of a new labor agreement that their leaders had concluded earlier in the week. The pact was controversial because it included a new program designed to penalize workers with high rates of absenteeism. Jeffrey S. Kuhlman, a G.M. spokesman, said that the company had agreed to drop the absenteeism program at 7 P.M. on Saturday, but that the union had proceeded with the strike anyway. Now let's fast forward to 2007: UAW GM REPORT http://www.uaw.org/contracts/07/gm/gm14.php Changes in Attendance Procedure Changes in the Special Procedure for Attendance There was considerable discussion about the union’s insistence on preserving jobs and obtaining new work in the current highly competitive environment and the company’s concern for continued reduction in absenteeism . As a result, changes have been negotiated in the existing Special Procedure for Attendance. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 5:34 pm) Not sure what it has to do with the UAW. Yes last year I filed a form to get my home assessment lowered and they did. My home is now appraised for taxes $100,000 less. Saved me $1200 this year. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 7:43 pm) Given the same facts, one could argue just as convincingly that government screwups have done vastly more damage than unregulated free markets. The UAW created the great middle class and consumerism we enjoy today. Sorry, but this doesn't make sense. The U.S. had a large & flourishing middle class by the late 1800s - years before Henry Ford started building cars & decades before the UAW was even born. What gave rise to the American middle class was post-Civil War industrialization. All those new factories required not just laborers to man the assembly lines but an entirely new class of office workers: clerks, secretaries, accountants, engineers, salesmen & managers. These people made up the new American middle class. By 1890 - long before most Americans had even seen an automobile - the middle class as we know it today was firmly in place. The strongest claim that you can validly make is that the UAW made it possible for some blue collar workers to enjoy a white collar standard of living. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but it's a long, long way from saying that the UAW "created" the middle class, which simply isn't true.
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 12, 2008 8:20 pm) The UAW cannot even claim that distinction. The Teamsters of which I spent 37 years a member far pre dates the johnny come lately UAW. The only thing the UAW will have on its tombstone is they managed to destroy the US Domestic Automakers. They are currently a very small Union with less than 400k members and dwindling very fast. Their little blip in the History books will probably note how in 2008 the UAW would rather the automakers go bankrupt than to give up anything to keep the industry afloat. Arrogant fools is all you can say about the UAW management. The members are just sheep. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 6:19 pm) Most people would say Toyota is extremely successful - they have become the world's #1 automaker, a title they took from GM. They may suffer some in a down economy, but they have money in reserve and they are not begging for handouts. I'd call that successful. The Cadillac CTS is UAW Michigan and the hottest car out there. Show me a Toyota that even in the same class as a VETT. Solstice/Sky are killing the two seater market. Have you been looking at cars lately? I did like the two seater Lexus, but the price is outrageous. Other than that their cars are fugly. You have to go look at BMW to get anything better than the American hot sellers. There are some good American hot sellers. Problem is that there are even more turds mixed in. Trim out all of the turds and there's a good market. Problem is that for GM that is less than half current size. I'd agree with you - prune all the junk, downsize the company and dealers commensurate with the good product only, and what is left is the start of a successful and viable company. I'll repeat a previous question - Why are 50% of the auto makers in the US successful, and that 50% is the half that is NOT UAW?
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nov '08 sales. 111000 more car sales by the D3 than J3. You keep calling that 252000 outvotes 363000. It doesn't and that makes everything you say false.
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 12, 2008 9:57 pm) Lots of successful companies have a stock price that is half what it was 12 mos. ago. How many manufacturing stocks are up this year? I do agree with Dallasdude, that Toyota has very little that appeals to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota losses money this year, but before the credit crunch, they were very profitable and increasing market share. Regardless of whether you like their product, that pretty much describes successful in my mind. |
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