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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 7:05 pm) You've lost me, my friend. Are you PWI'ing again? My previous post was a response to points that you had made about the New Deal - specifically about how New Deal programs had purportedly pulled the economy out of the Depression. But the Sherman Act was passed in 1890, more than 40 years earlier, & is thus unrelated to the earlier discussion. If there's a point buried in this post, I'm afraid that I don't see it.
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The "financial" bailout will end up in the trillions. The potential Big3 bailout should be 40 billion or so. If we are willing to toss 1,000,000,000,000+ to wall street you would think that 40,000,000,000 would be small potatoes. Why is the average american more concerned with the money that would be used for salaries of blue collar folks then they are the 25x amount at least that will be spent on the lazy, greedy wall street morons who could care less about them? It looks like the UAW is making a stand. They are tired of making all the concessions while the management fat cats who have managed the company poorly get rich. Seems like a reasonable position to me. Let the management fat cats take cuts to their salary/benefits in order to save the company. Alternatively, maybe the UAW president has been in touch with some politicians who have assured him a bailout is coming so he comes out firing in order to take the initiative. Negotiating 101. I'm so tired of all this non sense about the autoworkers making Joe the plumber money. Say is isn't so Joe?
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 12, 2008 3:30 pm) Even I would oppose it if the company I was working for is a private organization. The owners can cook the books in whatever fashion they like and the labor has to suffer. But in a publicly held company where the CEO is also paid performance bonus, all the employees should be given a bonus on the same standard. By the way, the fortune 500 company my wife works for, and one which has not made a loss yet, but still sold off the corporate jets as the markets deteriorated, has performance based bonus across all employees, which is based upon how much profit the company made. She can get anywhere from 5 to 10%. This time around she is looking at 2% at the most.
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"Huntsville may be a more "upscale" city, whereas Detroit is, well, um, a city. It's a given that taxes are more in Mi."... cooter, I do seem to like your quotes and have a blast responding to them...even if I don't make any sense...  Detroit is a slum, plain and simple...it was like that when I went there in 1980 and even worse when I left in 1990...stupid damn mayors all screamed racism, when they only had to look in the mirror to understand why working people of ALL races were deserting the town like a tornado just struck...lousy management and some of the highest taxes around...a mere $60K home had taxes around $2-3K, and what you got for your money was affirmative action of the worst incompetent people available... The best way to see Detroit is in your rear view mirror...I defy ANYONE to find anything good to say about the City of Detroit, and rocky doesn't count...
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other reasons that WWII got us out of the Depression is the one reason no one likes to say, but truth is truth... The war removed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of (mostly) men from the US job market and sent them overseas to fight, and many of them were simply killed and permanently removed from possible job rolls...the war took our citizens in the prime of their lives and sent them out of the country...those that remained were working on the war effort...by the time the survivors came back in 1945, I am quite sure that the available pool of workers was much smaller than it was from 1935-1941...that is another way to alter employment, have a large portion of the workers simply killed as casualties of war...cruel thinking???...yes, but that does not change the fact that many potential job takers were permanently removed from the job rolls thanks to D-Day and other battles of WWII... They shall, however, ALWAYS be remembered as heroes who gave the ultmate sacrifice, but they were removed from the employment rolls nonetheless...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:08 pm) U forgot dallasdude1. I believe he is associated with the GM plant in Arlington. Maybe not. |
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The reason to bring up the Sherman Anti-Trust Act is because he likes Teddy Roosevelt, the much better Roosevelt IMO... "Walk softly and carry a big stick"...you may quote me on that as marsha7...oh no, it's Joe Biden!!!...I'm caught plagiarizing again... |
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 12, 2008 7:28 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm) You lost me. Is that good or bad performance or both?
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 7:47 pm) >You lost me. Is that good or bad performance or both? r u even serious? For a knowledgeable guy like you, this question is quite unexpected. Of course it is both. Bad performance? No Bonus + No salary raise. Good performance? Salary Raise + Bonus. |
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