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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 11, 2008 7:06 am) Is social security welfare? As historians Peter N. Carroll and David W. Noble note, Hoover feared that the collapse of the large corporations would bring down the entire US capitalist system. After all, one percent of the banks held 50% of banking assets. Three corporations—Ford, Chrysler, General Motors—manufactured 85% of the automobiles sold in the US. Chain stores dominated retail sales and their difficulties had national repercussions. Hoover and the Republicans saw aid to corporations as being different. Whereas they believed that helping the individual citizen weather the Depression would corrupt him or her, aiding corporations and other business was different. To many, it appeared that the Republicans were only interested in the rich. The newly-created Reconstruction Finance Corporation aided only the large corporations. http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=603 |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 8:00 am) Eerie isn't it? He regulated capalism. Before FDR the nation had a laizze-fair notion about business, let business run itself and monitor itself. Unfortunately, as it always does, unregulated capitalism destroyed itself as those with inordinate money and power were able to circumvent the laws of free market. For instance, pre FDR, steel companies had a total monopoly and what a degree of collusion and price fixing that is considered criminal by today's standards. FDR: Cycles tax money back to the average person via works programs and emergency assistance. He also improved our infrastructure by using gvt money to build dams, roads etc that bolstered the economy. He passed laws restricting business to encourage free market competition such as anti-trust laws (not allowing companies to merge and form monopoly's). He endorsed labor's right to strike and to demand living wages from employers. He implemented social security which has proven to be the number one means of avoiding poverty. FDR's policies produced the hightest standard of living the world had ever known. We had overall continued growth until the Regan years. The conservative movement in the us corresponds to decline in wealth, education, health of the US public after 50 years of steady improvement. He put people to work, brought hope and confidence back to the US and possibly saved us froma communist revolution. We actually were well out of the depression long before we entered WW2, Thanks to FDR. In 1930 GDP fell 9.4% In 1931 GDP fell 8.5% In 1932 GDP fell 13.4% FDR took office in March 1933 In 1933 GDP fell 2.1% In 1934 GDP rose 7.7% In 1935 GDP rose 8.1% In 1936 GDP rose 14.1% In 1937 GDP rose 5.0% In 1938 GDP fell 4.5% In 1939 GDP rose 7.9%
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 10:31 am) |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Dec 11, 2008 6:13 pm) If autoworkers/suppliers and the folks who they frequent with purchases get hit. The problem will not get better. More foreclosures and whatever else goes with hard times. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 4:43 pm) You can believe that if you like. We were building war ships and war materials all during the 1930s. The late 1930s was the beginning of the UAW. They were founded well into FDRs administration. Was dissent and labor abuses part of the FDR legacy? Your wrong assessment of the Reagan years is noted. As a working stiff I did much better after Reagan took office than during the Democrat controlled Congress from JFK through Carter. Nixon was a non entity to the working man. Congress ran the domestic end of the country and just about buried US in over bearing taxes. After Reagan got in and people were expected to work for a living it was tough on the featherbedders in the US auto industry. I think the consensus here is the Big 3 and the UAW built crappy cars pretty much from 1970s through the present. Not all can be blamed on the UAW. The workmanship on the cars can and that shows up in much of what was built. I find it funny that we see history from a totally different perspective. I from a middle class hardworking Union man and you from? I was raised in a close to poverty Christian home. We would not think of asking for government help even when there was no food in our home. Democrats & welfare were dirty words in my childhood home. They both denoted people too lazy to work. No work, no eat...... I liked to eat so I worked from the time I was very young. I was not brought up to think because I was born in America I was entitled to anything but the freedom to go out and make a living.
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 11, 2008 9:47 pm) If your about to lose your home and or car, do you call the insurance company and demand they lower your premiums? Can you call the tax office and demand they lower your assessment? Your case that the UAW is responsible for the Big Three's business failure is silly. If one can see that this an entire industry/economy suffering, its self evident that the UAW has been an asset over the years and out sold imports as a whole. There was more meat on the arguement of AIG at SPA's and bonuses. This is but a political witch hunt and grand standing. 700 billion and the executive office illegaly rewriting the tax code to support a non union industry reeks of the rats they are. Labor supported Obama and therefore labor has a special relationship. Just as big business had with GW and Company.
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when the democrats were talking about the outrages amounts of money CEO's make the republicans could not get up there and say this enough... " washington can not regulate wages. then when the workers in the UAW need help the republicans want to reduce the wages and benefits of the workers by breaking up their union. Tell me the republicans are not only in office to to make the rich richers and the workers indentured slaves? 
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 12, 2008 5:34 pm) Why are 50% of the domestic producers financially successful? They just happen to be the 50% that are not UAW. You call the UAW an asset. I think they were an asset in the early days, but greed has now destroyed an entire industry. The foreign nameplates had no such boat anchor and are successful. Even the domestic makes are successful outside this country. They are building new plants away from UAW influence and importing a higher percentage of their product. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 12, 2008 5:22 pm) I went to a parochial school in Chicago (is that Christian?), we weren't racist. Nor do we label all people by political association. We prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and thereby see their real character. As Jesus put it "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me". Wave the flag you want, my daddy's coffin was draped by that flag. Patriotism doesn't mean that you must support unjust wars and or brutal murder of helpless people. The true patriots were those who opposed the Vietnam war and hastened its end. |
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 12, 2008 5:50 pm) Last I looked Toyota stock was at a 52 week low. Half price. You are delusional if you consider that successful. Nothing they build appeals to me, it must be basic transportation for the masses. The Cadillac CTS is UAW Michigan and the hottest car out there. Show me a Toyota that even in the same class as a VETT. Solstice/Sky are killing the two seater market. Have you been looking at cars lately? I did like the two seater Lexus, but the price is outrageous. Other than that their cars are fugly. You have to go look at BMW to get anything better than the American hot sellers.
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