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Re: NO DEAL! [gagrice] by cooterbfd
Dec 12, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 12, 2008 6:41 am)

Ok, what IS the going rate that the others make???? Gettlefinger was saying in a news conference that Toyota workers acually made MORE than UAW workers this year. If that's so, how does THAT help the situation????
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Re: NO DEAL! [cooterbfd] by chikoo
Dec 12, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Dec 12, 2008 2:31 pm)

>Toyota workers acually made MORE than UAW workers this year. If that's so, how does THAT help the situation????
 
Sure. Because it is performance bonus. Sometimes you get it. Sometimes you don't.
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Re: USATODAY Article [chikoo] by dallasdude1
Dec 12, 2008 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 7:58 am)

The AMA has controled the supply of doctors as to keep medical expenses up. Their lobby/union much like the UAW representing autoworkers. As we all know cartels are illegal in America. No American company can belong to OPEC. However, cartel who set supply quotas often cheat on each other and therefore they fail. Which cartel has survived the test of time?
 
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9A0DE2DF173AF93AA15755- C0A960948260
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Re: NO DEAL! [chikoo] by cooterbfd
Dec 12, 2008 (2:49 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 2:38 pm)

Nevertheless, what IS the going rate???? Should it be the same for someone in Michigan as Alabama, where there is a great disparity in cost of living???
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Re: Loan to the "Big Three" [62vetteefp] by dallasdude1
Dec 12, 2008 (2:56 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 12, 2008 8:25 am)

My friend you have to factor in the purchasing power of that money (INFLATION) in addition to taxes. Thats the rate of inflation. So pretty much your paying them to hold your money. However, inflation is different for most folks. If your home is paid off, then you can exclude housing. If your going to buy food with that money your going to hurt. As a rule of thumb, goods have been going down (electronics, autos, homes) and services have been going up (medical costs etc). So if you plan on buying things you maight be better off as oppose to services.
 
Many folks out there would like 10% or better, but if we are in double digit inflation we aren't gaining any wealth.
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Re: NO DEAL! [cooterbfd] by steve_ HOST
Dec 12, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Dec 12, 2008 2:49 pm)

I guess that the wages you need depends on what city you pick (and what cost of living comparator tool you choose).
 
Detroit is cheaper than Huntsville but Huntsville is cheaper than Dearborn.
 
Cost of Living Calculator (Sperlings)
 
But CNN gives the nod to Alabama.
 
Neither one of these talk much about the respective tax burdens.
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Re: NO DEAL! [steve_] by cooterbfd
Dec 12, 2008 (3:08 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 12, 2008 3:00 pm)

Taxes, as well as where in the vicinity of the plant one lives is also a factor. Huntsville may be a more "upscale" city, whereas Detroit is, well, um, a city. It's a given that taxes are more in Mi.
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Re: NO DEAL! [chikoo] by tlong
Dec 12, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 2:38 pm)

Because it is performance bonus. Sometimes you get it. Sometimes you don't.
 
I doubt the UAW likes the idea of performance-based bonuses.
 
He was spinning it to serve the union's purposes.
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Re: [grbeck] by dallasdude1
Dec 12, 2008 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 11, 2008 7:06 am)

The main difference between candidate Roosevelt and President Hoover was that Roosevelt favored direct relief to individuals (what we today call welfare). President Hoover opposed this
 
Is social security welfare?
 
As historians Peter N. Carroll and David W. Noble note, Hoover feared that the collapse of the large corporations would bring down the entire US capitalist system. After all, one percent of the banks held 50% of banking assets. Three corporations—Ford, Chrysler, General Motors—manufactured 85% of the automobiles sold in the US. Chain stores dominated retail sales and their difficulties had national repercussions.
 
Hoover and the Republicans saw aid to corporations as being different. Whereas they believed that helping the individual citizen weather the Depression would corrupt him or her, aiding corporations and other business was different. To many, it appeared that the Republicans were only interested in the rich. The newly-created Reconstruction Finance Corporation aided only the large corporations.
 
http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=603
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Re: [gagrice] by dallasdude1
Dec 12, 2008 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 8:00 am)

And from my view of history, WW2 was the only thing that brought US out of the Great Depression. None of the programs did much good. Only left US with a SS program that is unsustainable.
 
Eerie isn't it?
 
He regulated capalism. Before FDR the nation had a laizze-fair notion about business, let business run itself and monitor itself. Unfortunately, as it always does, unregulated capitalism destroyed itself as those with inordinate money and power were able to circumvent the laws of free market.
 
For instance, pre FDR, steel companies had a total monopoly and what a degree of collusion and price fixing that is considered criminal by today's standards.
 
FDR: Cycles tax money back to the average person via works programs and emergency assistance. He also improved our infrastructure by using gvt money to build dams, roads etc that bolstered the economy. He passed laws restricting business to encourage free market competition such as anti-trust laws (not allowing companies to merge and form monopoly's). He endorsed labor's right to strike and to demand living wages from employers. He
implemented social security which has proven to be the number one means of avoiding poverty.
 
FDR's policies produced the hightest standard of living the world had ever known. We had overall continued growth until the Regan years. The conservative movement in the us corresponds to decline in wealth, education, health of the US public after 50 years of steady improvement.
 
He put people to work, brought hope and confidence back to the US and possibly saved us froma communist revolution.
 
We actually were well out of the depression long before we entered WW2, Thanks to FDR.
 
In 1930 GDP fell 9.4%
In 1931 GDP fell 8.5%
In 1932 GDP fell 13.4%
 
FDR took office in March 1933
 
In 1933 GDP fell 2.1%
In 1934 GDP rose 7.7%
In 1935 GDP rose 8.1%
In 1936 GDP rose 14.1%
In 1937 GDP rose 5.0%
In 1938 GDP fell 4.5%
In 1939 GDP rose 7.9%

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