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Re: UAW cost [gagrice] by tlong
Dec 12, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 12, 2008 9:06 am)

I guess the UAW workers will just have to suck it up and work at WalMart.
 
...or go to Oregon!
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What?!!! by imidazol97
Dec 12, 2008 (10:31 am)
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>Gettlefinger said that he felt "set up"!
 
GM needs to be the one feeling set up.
 
In reality the huge retiree benefit for hourly and the work rules mandated by UAW through the decades have made US brands unable to manufacture efficiently. I have no doubts that even the overpaid, ineffective management at GM knew how to automate factories even more than they have, but they were held back by the work rules and mandated employment numbers. While I commented on the IUE workers and how efficiently they worked when I was in the Moraine plant, it seems the problem has come down not to the current workers being efficient, but that the plants could have been more automated and much more efficient financially. GM could have been making more profit per car to have more money to do recalls on problems that erupt as have Toyota and honda with their transmission, vibration, shifting, VCM, sludge and other problems. That would have earned GM a better reputation about handling of the typical, average problems which most manufacturers have.
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Re: Loan to the "Big Three" [62vetteefp] by 62vetteefp
Dec 12, 2008 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 12, 2008 7:36 am)

Paying 4.25% and getting 3.75%. Well worth it to have a bit of cushion if GM goes under.
 
Just got my Home equity statement. I am paying 3.24% APR. Dropped 1 point in one month!!
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Re: NO DEAL! [gagrice] by cooterbfd
Dec 12, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 12, 2008 6:41 am)

Ok, what IS the going rate that the others make???? Gettlefinger was saying in a news conference that Toyota workers acually made MORE than UAW workers this year. If that's so, how does THAT help the situation????
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Re: NO DEAL! [cooterbfd] by chikoo
Dec 12, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Dec 12, 2008 2:31 pm)

>Toyota workers acually made MORE than UAW workers this year. If that's so, how does THAT help the situation????
 
Sure. Because it is performance bonus. Sometimes you get it. Sometimes you don't.
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Re: USATODAY Article [chikoo] by dallasdude1
Dec 12, 2008 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 7:58 am)

The AMA has controled the supply of doctors as to keep medical expenses up. Their lobby/union much like the UAW representing autoworkers. As we all know cartels are illegal in America. No American company can belong to OPEC. However, cartel who set supply quotas often cheat on each other and therefore they fail. Which cartel has survived the test of time?
 
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9A0DE2DF173AF93AA15755- C0A960948260
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Re: NO DEAL! [chikoo] by cooterbfd
Dec 12, 2008 (2:49 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 12, 2008 2:38 pm)

Nevertheless, what IS the going rate???? Should it be the same for someone in Michigan as Alabama, where there is a great disparity in cost of living???
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Re: Loan to the "Big Three" [62vetteefp] by dallasdude1
Dec 12, 2008 (2:56 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 12, 2008 8:25 am)

My friend you have to factor in the purchasing power of that money (INFLATION) in addition to taxes. Thats the rate of inflation. So pretty much your paying them to hold your money. However, inflation is different for most folks. If your home is paid off, then you can exclude housing. If your going to buy food with that money your going to hurt. As a rule of thumb, goods have been going down (electronics, autos, homes) and services have been going up (medical costs etc). So if you plan on buying things you maight be better off as oppose to services.
 
Many folks out there would like 10% or better, but if we are in double digit inflation we aren't gaining any wealth.
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Re: NO DEAL! [cooterbfd] by steve_ HOST
Dec 12, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Dec 12, 2008 2:49 pm)

I guess that the wages you need depends on what city you pick (and what cost of living comparator tool you choose).
 
Detroit is cheaper than Huntsville but Huntsville is cheaper than Dearborn.
 
Cost of Living Calculator (Sperlings)
 
But CNN gives the nod to Alabama.
 
Neither one of these talk much about the respective tax burdens.
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Re: NO DEAL! [steve_] by cooterbfd
Dec 12, 2008 (3:08 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 12, 2008 3:00 pm)

Taxes, as well as where in the vicinity of the plant one lives is also a factor. Huntsville may be a more "upscale" city, whereas Detroit is, well, um, a city. It's a given that taxes are more in Mi.

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