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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 10, 2008 6:41 pm) UAW are collective bargaining employees. So what?
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Replying to: manegi (Dec 10, 2008 7:45 pm) |
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The whole UAW thing just amazes (and p*sses me off). Unions made sense to protect the children working in the factories during the Industrial Revolution. There is absolutely no reason for Unions to exist in the modern world! My wife is a nurse and her hospital just unionized and it has to be the worst thing that could have ever happened. Quality of care as dropped through the floor. Nothing like having an entire work force doing just enough to not get fired (which is virtual impossible now). Why bother working hard when there's no longer performance based raises. The nurses aids have actually been found hiding in the bathrooms and closets. Back to the topic, I'm crossing my fingers the bill gets killed in the Senate and we all get to see the UAW suffer when contracts get "renegotiated". |
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Replying to: foresterxt (Dec 10, 2008 8:55 pm) If you are a conservative driver maybe you're mad if somebody passes you up a certain way, and i get mad too at times, but i just get over it, really. I would prefer at times that people conserve more, but people do drive differently and the change is in for the better it just takes a little time. While you know of a hospital that has bad work habits you have nothing better to do than to be here as a few others like you are here - maybe there is somebody you can call and the hospital could lose a few employees for that. As for the auto industry - I've been through different plants and they go through inspections, quality is addressed, looks to me as i watched during operations, looks professional to me. looks somewhat tidy.., when somebody new comes around they can act somewhat differently, but they find their place and as for the unions themselves, they have made a few cutbacks from a few years ago, i don't know the extent of that what if the workers themselves wanted to invest more into the unions, that could probably be their choice and not yours. The Banks did get alot of money from Uncle Sam already because they proved that they were lied to, how do you know that the auto industry was not lied to and maybe a few more things than that. President Bush was making concessions that 25 billion(but asking for 34 billion) was to be given to them and they were expecting it, but it never went through, oh but the banks did get their money. It should have been handed out at the same time, since it was mentioned. i know i dont' have all the facts, but i don't think anybody here has all the facts either. The taxpayers get the loan paid back with interest so there is stimulus. it's nothing to whine about as most are doing, i've seen worse things than this. what should really happen now is that the banks that misused the 700 billion should instead use that to autoindustry. there is no payback in just handing blank checks to the taxpayers from this money, and that is where most of those opposing votes are coming from.
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Replying to: foresterxt (Dec 10, 2008 8:55 pm) 
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-12-10-autotown_N.htm?loc=interstitialsk- ip Oh boo hoo for this family. she says, "We're hoarding our money." The whole family used to eat out five times a week; now, Tina and Mike go out once a week, alone. Tina buys generic brands and has cut back on sweets and snacks. In the past, the family took several vacations; next year, they'll take one. This Christmas they plan to spend half what they spent last year. Gee, maybe they should have been saving some of that money before. Two years ago, they were delighted when, with the help of referrals from autoworker relatives, they landed jobs at the Delphi auto parts plant. She made hybrid batteries; he worked in shipping and receiving. They expected to retire from the plant. But in October, they each accepted $40,000 buyouts from Delphi, which filed for bankruptcy in 2005 and has yet to emerge. Not bad, on the job 2 years and then get a $40K buyout. And now my favorite. Cox says most students lack sympathy for blue-collar autoworkers, an attitude he summarizes as, "You can't expect to make $65,000 for a job you can learn in a month."
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Replying to: manegi (Dec 10, 2008 7:45 pm) |
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Dec 11, 2008 6:23 am) We are so spoiled in this country. It is just mind boggling how so many young people think they are entitled to a great job paying big bucks. These little recessions are a reality check. The UAW was a good thing when workers were being exploited. I don't see any exploitation of citizen workers in this country, compared to most places around the world. And right across our southern border.
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Dec 11, 2008 6:23 am) As for the mother and son who worked for Delphi, at least they're going back to college to get degrees, to make themselves marketable. I always used to think that if I ever lost my job, I could go back to delivering pizzas or waiting tables or something. Heck, back in my heyday, on an hourly basis, my takehome pay delivering pizzas was more than what it is now at my regular job! (however, I also have health insurance and 401k taken out of my regular job's paycheck, something the part time job didn't have to fund). But, in a recession, that type of work becomes less profitable, and it could very well be less so this time around. One of my friends works full-time as a waiter/bartender, and he just got cut back from 5 days per week to 4. I'm sure with this economy, there are plenty of people applying for jobs like that, all the while business at restaurants, bars, pizza joints, etc, is diminishing. My uncle works in construction...I guess if I lost my job, couldn't find a similar one, and things got really bad, I could try getting a job with his company. Although working a desk job all these years has gotten me lazy. I'm sure my body would have a violent reaction to that kind of manual labor! That, and getting up at 4 in the morning. 
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 10, 2008 7:14 pm) Public works programs did not end the Great Depression, or even alleviate it. And the idea that the federal government did "nothing" after the stock market crash in 1929 until the Roosevelt administration is a myth. President Hoover supported public works and even approved the creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to bail out failing companies (sound familiar)? The total tax burden - local, state and federal - also increased from 1929 to 1932. Yet unemployment still hit 25 percent by 1932. The main difference between candidate Roosevelt and President Hoover was that Roosevelt favored direct relief to individuals (what we today call welfare). President Hoover opposed this. The Great Depression was "great" because of ham-handed government monetary policy, the Hawley Smoot Tariff enacted by the U.S. in 1930, Roosevelt's foolish tax policies that sought to punish the wealthy and businesses, and silly measures like Roosevelt's National Recovery Act, which the U.S. Supreme Court mercifully declared unconstitutional. Unemployment was in the double digits well into the 1930s, and the 1938 "recession within a depression" was also quite severe.
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