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Re: Japanese Junk of the 70 [dallasdude1] by chikoo
Dec 06, 2008 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 05, 2008 7:48 pm)

Sometimes, to an extent, the pay difference plays a big difference in pulling a cord or not......The labor guy would think that why don't the big guys with the fat checks come down and pull the cord....
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 06, 2008 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 06, 2008 11:18 am)

You left out one minor detail. Most are right to work states. The UAW is not going to be successful in any of those states. If half the workers know they will get all the benefits and save the union dues they will opt out. The Union has to represent them whether they are dues paying members or not.
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [steve_] by tlong
Dec 06, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 06, 2008 11:18 am)

It wouldn't take too many busloads of unemployed line workers to create havoc with a bunch of suppliers and it won't take too many GM buses to block the gates to the parking lots of Mercedes and Nissan.
 
The more thuggish the UAW becomes, the less sympathy they will get from the average citizen and congress, and the more they will lose. Big 3 management may have been stupid enough to be held hostage by the UAW but the rest of the US is not.
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [tlong] by 62vetteefp
Dec 06, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 06, 2008 12:30 pm)

IF all the unions in the country could get together and put forth a challenge to the pay and benefits that are paid to some (non Union) then I could see something happening.
 
But, it will never happen. To many people watch out only for themselves.
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [tlong] by steve_ HOST
Dec 06, 2008 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 06, 2008 12:30 pm)

the less sympathy they will get from the average citizen
 
That could depend on how many average citizens are also out of work.
 
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Re: Unionizing the Transplants [lokki] by imidazol97
Dec 06, 2008 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 06, 2008 12:01 pm)

Can someone speak to the retirement plans of the foreign brands compared to the retirement plans of the US manufacturers?
 
I doubt that the few from Toyota Georgetown have the retirement that UAW has garnered for their US members through the last decades.
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 06, 2008 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 06, 2008 12:39 pm)

That could depend on how many average citizens are also out of work.
 
My Ford Mechanic friend that is laid off blames the UAW for the woes in the auto industry. I don't think the 10 million workers unemployed right now will have any sympathy for the overpaid UAW members. Especially the ones that do not have to go and beat the pavement each week to get their unemployment check. At one time the UAW was a symbol for what is good with Unions. That probably ended 30 years ago.
 
No rubber room cartoons for the 1000s that have already gotten laid off at dealerships around the country. Only the elitist UAW workers get special treatment. No the average out of work person is not feeling bad for the UAW.
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Dec 06, 2008 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 06, 2008 12:38 pm)

IF all the unions in the country could get together and put forth a challenge to the pay and benefits that are paid to some (non Union) then I could see something happening.
 

 
We have the AFL-CIO that does just that. However many of the majors have opted out. Two of the largest dropped out, the NEA and Teamsters. As our country goes more toward the environmental and information technology base, people do not like being associated with Union Thug mentality. I know in 1970 when we voted to go Teamster instead of IBEW I was not happy and lead several big protests to no avail. The telephone operators outnumbered the technicians 10 to 1 and they voted us all into the Teamsters. I would not speak to the IBEW President for several years as I felt he dropped the ball and fed us to the wolves. I got over it and got elected to the Teamster board of trustees. You can't beat em join em.
 
Most people I know here in CA are anti Union. Most do not have a clue how tough it will be retiring on SS without a decent pension.
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Sorry for the off topic by dhamilton
Dec 06, 2008 (2:55 pm)
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Dallasdude I went to Jr high, and high school in Stockton. I have many friends and family there. I beg them all the time to move to Dallas. No takers yet, but darn the economy is screwed out there.
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Re: Congressional Democrats say let George do it [gagrice] by imidazol97
Dec 06, 2008 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 06, 2008 2:06 pm)

>My Ford Mechanic friend that is laid off blames the UAW for the woes in the auto industry.
 
How does he feel about the government who let the foreign makers come into the market without tariffs? And built plants here that undercut the US brands?
 
How does he feel about the government that doesn't do anything to control the UAW's high wages and benefits?

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