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Replying to: circlew (Dec 06, 2008 7:43 am) First there is what economist call a time lag. All the while when the FED should have been increasing interest rates, they caved into political pressure and to lessen the effect of the housing boom, they lowered rates. For each percentage point of increase/decrease, we have that many more/less qualified buyers. Rather than fighting inflation they opted for lessening the housing mess. They kept housing prices up and sold more units, by lowering interest rates. Second there will be inflation. Just how bad is yet to be known. If its bad enough, those T Bills will be like investing in a Cadillac and being paid back with a Aveo. There will be a dumping of these T Bills and investors looking into something more stable. Unlike Weimar Republic of post-WWI Germany, where foreign debt was due in gold, we have a fiat currency which can pay you back in worthless paper. Worthless meaning that it buys less than it did prior to you lending it. Please don't mistake lower prices at the pump as anything but less demand worldwide, which has created excessive supplies. Then too if the price of a home increases ten fold and wages increase fifty fold you have gain nothing, but rather lost. Third there is going to be much more spending on public works and a host of other things by govt. This will make things worse in an economic sense, but much better in a social sense. My answer is that bottom fishing is five or more years away and this is not the same beast of past economic cycles. I wouldn't even consider investing until the war effort is over, as govt demand for the war effort in itself is fueling this economy to a large extent. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 06, 2008 7:53 am) My guess is you are part of a minuscule minority in this country. The UAW of all Unions may be the worst example of what happens when Unions have too much control over the companies. The overwhelming mood in Congress is the UAW needs to shed their featherbedding ways. That is coming from Democrats and Republicans. There are a lot of good Unions that have used constraint in negotiations. The UAW is not one of them. Why do you think the CAW split with the UAW. It was unethical practices if you care to recall. I would say that oil prices falling will make that 5.8% more than fair. Over all my cost of living has not gone up this year. I just did not drive as much during the high priced gas period. Stayed home and tended my garden. Helped the wife make jam and canned peaches. Have 5 gallons of Plum Brandy that is coming along VERY well. With proper planning you can recession proof your life. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 06, 2008 8:23 am) I'm not going to let these old folks down in their last days. So, I don't agree with your sixty second solution. Life expectancy, modern medicine, were not taken into account/factored and therefore we have a problem. The problem is that on average most folks exhaust their contributions within five years. So we need to bite the bullet and go from there. Besides the AARP is the second largest/powerful lobby and they will protect their members. Much like the UAW will protect the membership. Double digit inflation was the major driver in COLA. I refuse to let the Wall Street crowd to invest social security taxes. You need an people who aren't looking to churn and or profit from the system. In a short time period, a year or two, social security would be the largest investment on Wall Street and the commissions are what these good ole boys are eying. It would be taking care of the GOP's Wall Street buddies, and we have more than done that already. I in turn would like to take a crack at it in a not for profit foundation.
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 06, 2008 7:43 am) Hopefully the loans will assure the public and they will start buying again. We are looking at a foreclosed home to buy and fix up to rent and then improve substantially in about 3 years to sell. Will not buy it unless GM gets the loans though. I know a bunch of guys doing the same thing. They are bidding very low on foreclosed homes because no one is buying. If they start to sell the prices will go up as will normal homes that are for sale.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 06, 2008 8:51 am) Oh you got me laughing now. And just what was Congress doing when they along with John Kennedy pulled the money out of the separate SS fund and dumped it in the big bucket? If you think the Congress of the USA has yours or my best interest at heart you are on a different planet than I am. There is NOTHING benevolent about our government. It is all based on Power, Greed and Corruption.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 06, 2008 5:30 am) My Acura TL was made in the USA. I'm proud of the American workers who put it together. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 06, 2008 4:54 am) Let's be clear here. Honda did not want a UAW mentality. Why would a company choose to go down the path that GM is currently in? Every company wants to be profitable and none of them want boat anchors around their necks. They were offered $1700 lower price per car for hybrid Malibus from a local dealer but chose to pay more and send our tax money to Japan. Sales tax goes to the local/state government. Income taxes paid by Toyota - many go to US government. No income taxes from the Detroit 3 since they have no income. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 06, 2008 9:10 am) As I recall that was LBJ. But when is buying T Bills your if fact doing the same thing, its just nothing but an accounting adjustment which hurts no one I can think of. Folks assume that Social Security is in dire straits, but its Medicare which is the problem. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 06, 2008 8:51 am) Who's first? AAA? It sure isn't the UAW, certainly not in these times. "If there is hope for the Big Three and for the UAW, it rests in unionizing the foreign automakers' U.S. plants. It is not too late to save the Big Three. But the solution is not to tear down the historic and heroic gains won by prior generations of UAW workers. If there is hope long term -- for the unionized Big Three companies and for the UAW -- it rests in dealing with the unfinished business of the 1980s: unionizing the unorganized transplants." The Big Three's real union problem (LA Times Opinion)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 06, 2008 8:51 am) The Democrats controlled Congress throughout Nixon's presidency. Nixon could have vetoed the '72 Amendments but did not. (Nixon's passion was foreign policy; domestic policy bored him. Although he called himself a conservative, he rarely vetoed liberal domestic legislation. In return for this, he expected Congress to go along with his foreign initiatives.) I'm not going to let these old folks down in their last days. Households headed by the elderly are, on average, considerably wealthier than young households. Today's 25-year-old worker pays more in inflation-adjusted FICA taxes than his 75-year-old grandfather did back in 1958, when he was 25. Overall, the system is markedly more generous to those born before WWII than it is to those born later. I refuse to let the Wall Street crowd to invest social security taxes. What about non-profit credit unions or the local savings & loan? How about TIAA-CREF? There are plenty of savings & investment opportunities out there apart from Wall Street.
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