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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 05, 2008 3:16 pm) The data shows that the best are in the 1.5 problems per vehicle while the average is 2. Not a heck of a lot of difference anymore. Three years is encouraging. That would probably be 35K-50K miles for most people. Still pretty young. I think one of the reasons you see resale go into the dumper with the Detroit makes is that right or wrong, there's a perception that at 75K and above you are really taking a risk with the Detroit iron, while with Honda or Toyota you have a lot of life yet. I know we had our '94 Mercury Villager until 222K miles with no major work. It was a Ford body with a Nissan engine and transmission. Our gardener who bought the car has 240K on it now and it is still going strong. My '85 Jetta was at 143K when I sold it. My brother's Windstar had major engine and tranny problems before 60K miles. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 05, 2008 7:19 pm) Gagrice was talking about putting all GM retirees on full health care. Why are you playing the vets card when that is not relevant? By tying the Union to all things mom and apple pie - believe me, it's not gaining any sympathies. Re: the domino effect in the economy. You are probably (and unfortunately) correct. Problem is that when the engine of the economy is overheated and falsely over-revved with cheap subprime loans and government overspending, there's going to be a day of reckoning. It does look like it's going to be bad and long. But not directly related to the auto industry. As the Democratic party arose out of the ashes like the mighty Phoenix, so shall labor unions and the mighty UAW. Not much chance of that. Let's wait four years and check back, ok?
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 05, 2008 7:19 pm) Some talking head on the radio this evening claimed that the "real" rate of unemployment was already around 12%. There's a lot of slack in the official number - people who are no longer seeking work aren't counted plus there's a lot of manipulation like the “birth/death” model that gets factored in. There may be some laid off UAW workers in the next month or so who'll be wishing for the Jobs Bank to be back.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 05, 2008 6:57 pm) I would expect they will. The Imports are going to need to ramp up production when GM goes belly up. The UAW has been sipping poison koolaid for decades. They are just a small fraction of their former selves. They have no one to blame but their own greed and lousy leadership. Don't expect the Imports to be anxious to use old GM facilities and workforce. Just not realistic. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 05, 2008 8:38 pm) Are they the ones added to the food stamp roles? There are always a good percentage that just do not work. Live off friends and family. When unemployment gets down to about 4% there is a labor shortage. Many jobs available and no one to fill them. Mostly entry level. I don't see as many help wanted signs as there was just a year ago. I cannot believe GM did not insist on dumping the jobs bank on that last contract. What worthless management. I thought our general manager was stupid during negotiations. He would look like a rocket scientist alongside Wagoner. Too much inbreeding in upper management at GM.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 05, 2008 8:50 pm) Not too many people have a Jobs Bank to fall back on. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 05, 2008 8:40 pm) The city of Indianapolis just contracted yesterday to buy 90 Hybrid Camrys as non-pursuit police vehicles. They were offered $1700 lower price per car for hybrid Malibus from a local dealer but chose to pay more and send our tax money to Japan. They calculated that the Toyota was going to get better gas mileage to more than compensate for the $1700 up front cost. The news says this may be a bad political move in a state and city that is having hundreds of B3 layoffs this week. Even our Mayor wants us colonized. |
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 05, 2008 8:15 pm) Reminds me of that bumper sticker "Buy American, The Job You Save May Be you Own". This is true more than ever. Self preservation is something Americans will look at as the price of their home goes down, their 401K evaporates with their dreams of retirement, and the American Dream is all but a nightmare for this next generation. One has only to look and see that Toyota stock is selling at a 52 week low and at half the value. Industries such as steel and textiles are all but gone and this time we have a new player at the table, China. In the long run China will bury the Toyota/Honda as experts expect. The most Honda/Toyota can expect is a niche market, such as that of MAC/Apple in the computer industry.
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 05, 2008 8:15 pm) During times when private investment isn't being crowded out and or interest rates deter private investment or put off private investment altogether. Govt spending is not the evil you might think. Fact is that you haven't seen anything yet as the spending govt will have to do as the only tool. FED has lowered interest rates to historical lows and fiscal policy is all thats left. Eerie the common events of our nation to those of Japan and their decade of agony. Much like a ten year flu and all you have is a bottle of asprin. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 06, 2008 4:54 am) The news says this may be a bad political move in a state and city that is having hundreds of B3 layoffs this week. Maybe fiscal responsibility is more important to the mayor than political correctness. I think the bigger picture would be showing the imports that Indianapolis would welcome MORE non union factories to their city. Unlike Michigan that would be most unfriendly to Toyota and Honda, Indiana already has a strong presence in the state. Those empty B3 factories can be had for pennies on the dollar and we have people that will work for the going wage without whining. Like Shelby of Alabama, your mayor wants what is good for his constituents. So buying the Camry hybrids was probably a very smart move. They also get 22% better city mileage than the new Malibu hybrid that is relatively untested. My daughter, SIL and grandson moved to Evansville last summer. They really like it there. Cost of living half of San Diego. They just bought a NEW GMC Sierra PU truck that my son in law has wanted for several years. My grandson loves his school. SIL only drives 4 miles to the office instead of 25 in bumper to bumper traffic. Sounds like Indiana will come out of this mess better than some of the other states around them. |
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