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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 10:42 am) Lexus led the list with a 61.60 per cent survival rate, followed by Mercedes-Benz at 44.30 per cent, and Saturn at 41.60 per cent. Cars above the industry average, following those three, were (in order) Infiniti, Acura, BMW, Volvo, Cadillac, Jaguar, Lincoln, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Saab, Buick, Volkswagen, Chrysler and Nissan. Oldsmobile was below the industry average, at minus 0.10 per cent, followed in descending order by Subaru, Chevrolet, Ford, Pontiac, Audi, Mercury, Eagle, Dodge, Suzuki, Plymouth, Isuzu, Hyundai and finally Lada, at minus 28.70 per cent. A couple of notes: 1. As far as 'non-prestige brands' Honda, Toyota are above average AND above Buick. Chevrolet, Ford, Pontiac, and Dodge are all below Buick AND below average. Honda, Toyota, Ford, and Chevrolet are the bulk of the market...where most of the public come in contact with a Big 3/ Oki 3 maker. Buick is a niche player - more comparable to Acura in terms of numbers sold. 2. The author of the article notes: that the numbers do not necessarily reflect quality, and may be affected by such factors as initial inexpensive prices, which may "write off" a vehicle more easily than an expensive model; and, of course, the 'Lemko factor' which is that the more people pay for their cars, the more likely they are to take care of them. 3. The Lemko factor can't seem to save Audi's though..... you can polish 'em all you want, but ... Source: http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/060905-1.htm By the way Lemko - we agree on Toyota sales people. Can't stand the ones that I've met. I'm sure there are some good ones who aren't arrogant (particularly right now!), but I can't seem to get myself back into a Toyota dealership to find one.
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 02, 2008 11:11 am)  Looks like a job for Andre! One of the sites I was reading on American cars in Cuba mentioned how many of them had Lada engines dropped into them because they were easy to do and readily available. There's high praise... |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 10:42 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 9:48 am) I'll agree with you on this one. Honda dealers aren't much better, for that matter, & I'm a big fan of Honda vehicles. (Bought my 1st new car, a Civic, back in '74, & I currently have an '06 CRV.) In my area, their salespeople are either jerks or idiots. Thank God that I didn't have to pick my salesman's brain when I bought my CRV. In contrast, a Cadillac salesman who helped me a few years ago when I stopped by to look at the CTS was competent & courteous - a real sales professional. If & when I decide to buy a Cadillac, I'll look for him. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 02, 2008 12:21 pm) Then, I negotiated further with the lowest dealer with the sales manager. It was what I expected at Honda. I'd rate the experience as satisfactory. No way was I going to buy another GM with the experience with my 2003 GMC Yukon multiple failures. BTW, I tried my best to Red Tag Sale a comparable model with the CR-V. Not even close in the value proposition. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 02, 2008 12:06 pm) I still see those first-gen FWD C- and H-bodies fairly regularly. In fact, there was this caramel-colored late 80's Olds 88 that started showing up in the parking lot at work. One evening though, outside the back entrance, I saw it broken down along the road. A couple months ago, my '76 LeMans stalled out at that same spot.  I see a cranberry Electra pretty regularly when I stop off at the liquor store that looks like it's in pretty good shape. Hey Lemko, want me to ask the guy if he wants to sell it? 
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 02, 2008 12:55 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 1:00 pm) Also, every once in awhile, I'll see a fairly young guy driving around in mid-80's Bonneville, the Malibu-based G-body. Looks like it's still in really good shape. Kinda shocking to see, but then maybe people say the same thing about me when they see me driving around in one of my '79 NY'ers! There's also an early 80's Phoenix coupe that I see from time to time at work. White, and looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor. I know THAT has to be an anomaly though!
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