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Re: Myth No. 3 [dallasdude1] by chikoo
Dec 02, 2008 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:25 pm)

Hmm...
 
Did you see the video from top Gear where rest of the world uses a Toyota, and they don't have to keep it running? It just keeps on running
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Re: lemko [marsha7] by lemko
Dec 02, 2008 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 02, 2008 9:55 am)

The only people I know who've ever complained about their cars - whether foreign or domestic - were they people who treated them like garbage. They never serviced them, let small problems turn into big ones, changed their oil like once a decade, never washed them, and the interiors were so filthy they should've been declared biohazards.
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Re: DD, Out of touch on so many issues [avatexrs1] by chikoo
Dec 02, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am)

>Come to think of it, an executive that can negotiate that deal ought to be Waggoner's replacement at GM to negotiate with the unions and suppliers.
 
I would not bet on it.
 
In my very honest opinion, a CEO should think about the company first, before himself. When these greedy bastards negotiate their Salary and bonus, what targets are they setting in order to claim that, if any? It appears the only target they set is the stock price, which is not a true indicator since it is driven more by speculation than true fundamentals.
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Re: Statistics, Lemko, Statistics [lemko] by chikoo
Dec 02, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 8:21 am)

in my opinion, Ford has been doing some very good product work lately with the Mazda platforms, and rolling it out to all Ford products.
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Re: Cooter [bumpy] by lemko
Dec 02, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 02, 2008 8:27 am)

Funny, I see a lot of survivors like my '88 Park Ave whether they are LeSabres, Electras, or Park Avenues. Looks like very few that weren't accident casualties ended up in the scrapyard.
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Re: DD, Out of touch on so many issues [avatexrs1] by fintail
Dec 02, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am)

Look how the undeserved incomes of CEOs have increased compared to the workplace in general, and look at the economic picture they have wrought. Look at the good old boys club that exists among these souless cowards and how they are recycled like bad garbage from one overpaid position to another. They are lucky religion still keeps the poor from killing the rich, or these guys would be dragged out of bed at night and shot on a regular basis.
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Re: Cooter [lemko] by lokki
Dec 02, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 10:42 am)

Buicks aren't bad cars... they have above average survivor rates -in Canada anyhow. I haven't found this data for the U.S. yet, but I believe that it would be reasonably comparable to the 2006 data below for cars bought between 11 and 20 years ago; the number shown below is the percentage that are still on the road today.
 
Lexus led the list with a 61.60 per cent survival rate, followed by Mercedes-Benz at 44.30 per cent, and Saturn at 41.60 per cent. Cars above the industry average, following those three, were (in order) Infiniti, Acura, BMW, Volvo, Cadillac, Jaguar, Lincoln, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Saab, Buick, Volkswagen, Chrysler and Nissan. Oldsmobile was below the industry average, at minus 0.10 per cent, followed in descending order by Subaru, Chevrolet, Ford, Pontiac, Audi, Mercury, Eagle, Dodge, Suzuki, Plymouth, Isuzu, Hyundai and finally Lada, at minus 28.70 per cent.
 
A couple of notes:
 
1. As far as 'non-prestige brands' Honda, Toyota are above average AND above Buick. Chevrolet, Ford, Pontiac, and Dodge are all below Buick AND below average. Honda, Toyota, Ford, and Chevrolet are the bulk of the market...where most of the public come in contact with a Big 3/ Oki 3 maker. Buick is a niche player - more comparable to Acura in terms of numbers sold.
 
2. The author of the article notes: that the numbers do not necessarily reflect quality, and may be affected by such factors as initial inexpensive prices, which may "write off" a vehicle more easily than an expensive model; and, of course, the 'Lemko factor' which is that the more people pay for their cars, the more likely they are to take care of them.
 
3. The Lemko factor can't seem to save Audi's though..... you can polish 'em all you want, but ...
 
Source:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/060905-1.htm
 
By the way Lemko - we agree on Toyota sales people. Can't stand the ones that I've met. I'm sure there are some good ones who aren't arrogant (particularly right now!), but I can't seem to get myself back into a Toyota dealership to find one.
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Cuban cars.... by fezo
Dec 02, 2008 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 02, 2008 11:11 am)


 
Looks like a job for Andre!
 
One of the sites I was reading on American cars in Cuba mentioned how many of them had Lada engines dropped into them because they were easy to do and readily available. There's high praise...
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Re: Cooter [lemko] by bumpy
Dec 02, 2008 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 10:42 am)

I can think of one of those cars that's still in good shape, but I have yet to actually see it on the road. The other half-dozen or so are deep into beater territory, worse off than the half-dozen flip-light Accords I see around here.
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Re: Cooter [lemko] by jimbres
Dec 02, 2008 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 9:48 am)

I can't even get past the sales experience with Toyota.
 
I'll agree with you on this one. Honda dealers aren't much better, for that matter, & I'm a big fan of Honda vehicles. (Bought my 1st new car, a Civic, back in '74, & I currently have an '06 CRV.) In my area, their salespeople are either jerks or idiots. Thank God that I didn't have to pick my salesman's brain when I bought my CRV.
 
In contrast, a Cadillac salesman who helped me a few years ago when I stopped by to look at the CTS was competent & courteous - a real sales professional. If & when I decide to buy a Cadillac, I'll look for him.

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