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"Based on my own personal experiences, as well as my friends and families owning Detroit's vehicles over the last 25 years, none of us fit in to your example. We bought several Big 3 vehicles when we were in our 20s, and many more afterward, and they just keep going and going and going like the Energizer bunny. The vehicles are over 20 years old, upwards of 100K miles, and they are still with us." lemko, your experience may not be unique, just simply not enough of you to matter...unless you have been under a rock for 20 years, you have to know that there has been people grumbling about Big 3 cars for more years than I care to count...one would have to be naive to not see their impending bankruptcy...while I blame it heavily on poor workmanship from the union (extra screws, windows that don't fit, doors that don't line up are not poor mgmt but workers who don't care about ehri product) and other may blame it on mgmt, either way the PRODUCT is being deserted for what many believe are superior products, Toy and Honda... Telling us about your 20 year old Buick ain't gonna sway anyone to walk into a Big 3 dealer, because your experience simply hasn't happened enough times to matter...
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 02, 2008 9:38 am) |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:25 pm) Did you see the video from top Gear where rest of the world uses a Toyota, and they don't have to keep it running? It just keeps on running 
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 02, 2008 9:55 am) |
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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am) I would not bet on it. In my very honest opinion, a CEO should think about the company first, before himself. When these greedy bastards negotiate their Salary and bonus, what targets are they setting in order to claim that, if any? It appears the only target they set is the stock price, which is not a true indicator since it is driven more by speculation than true fundamentals. |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 8:21 am) |
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 02, 2008 8:27 am)
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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 10:42 am) Lexus led the list with a 61.60 per cent survival rate, followed by Mercedes-Benz at 44.30 per cent, and Saturn at 41.60 per cent. Cars above the industry average, following those three, were (in order) Infiniti, Acura, BMW, Volvo, Cadillac, Jaguar, Lincoln, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Saab, Buick, Volkswagen, Chrysler and Nissan. Oldsmobile was below the industry average, at minus 0.10 per cent, followed in descending order by Subaru, Chevrolet, Ford, Pontiac, Audi, Mercury, Eagle, Dodge, Suzuki, Plymouth, Isuzu, Hyundai and finally Lada, at minus 28.70 per cent. A couple of notes: 1. As far as 'non-prestige brands' Honda, Toyota are above average AND above Buick. Chevrolet, Ford, Pontiac, and Dodge are all below Buick AND below average. Honda, Toyota, Ford, and Chevrolet are the bulk of the market...where most of the public come in contact with a Big 3/ Oki 3 maker. Buick is a niche player - more comparable to Acura in terms of numbers sold. 2. The author of the article notes: that the numbers do not necessarily reflect quality, and may be affected by such factors as initial inexpensive prices, which may "write off" a vehicle more easily than an expensive model; and, of course, the 'Lemko factor' which is that the more people pay for their cars, the more likely they are to take care of them. 3. The Lemko factor can't seem to save Audi's though..... you can polish 'em all you want, but ... Source: http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/060905-1.htm By the way Lemko - we agree on Toyota sales people. Can't stand the ones that I've met. I'm sure there are some good ones who aren't arrogant (particularly right now!), but I can't seem to get myself back into a Toyota dealership to find one.
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 02, 2008 11:11 am)  Looks like a job for Andre! One of the sites I was reading on American cars in Cuba mentioned how many of them had Lada engines dropped into them because they were easy to do and readily available. There's high praise... |
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