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Re: Cooter [gagrice]
by lemko
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Dec 02, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 8:25 am)
I can't even get past the sales experience with Toyota. I foolishly went to look at a Camry with my girlfriend. The guys were arrogant and already assumed you were buying the second you stepped on the lot. They separated us were throwing all kinds of terms at my girlfriend that were confusing to say the least. She looked back at me with a bewildered look that said "Help!" as I was pushed into a corner over by a 4-Runner. It was my quick thinking that got us out of there before we lost our wallets and out wits. They were all upset when we didn't just cave-in. I don't care if a Camry is tougher than a tank, comes with free gold bullion in the trunk, $10,000 cash in the glovebox, and an ashtray full of flawless diamonds, I'm never setting foot on a Toyota lot again!
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- #5698 of 16701
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Re: Cooter [andre1969]
by lemko
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Dec 02, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 02, 2008 8:38 am)
It was a 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis LS and the car was about 9 years-old at the time. Still, the repair wasn't too expensive considering it was a transmission. The rest of the car was in excellent shape. Still, even that experience wouldn't keep me from buying a Ford in the future. I just don't care for Ford as much as I do GM or Mopar.
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- #5699 of 16701
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lemko
by marsha7
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Dec 02, 2008 (9:55 am)
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"Based on my own personal experiences, as well as my friends and families owning Detroit's vehicles over the last 25 years, none of us fit in to your example. We bought several Big 3 vehicles when we were in our 20s, and many more afterward, and they just keep going and going and going like the Energizer bunny. The vehicles are over 20 years old, upwards of 100K miles, and they are still with us."
lemko, your experience may not be unique, just simply not enough of you to matter...unless you have been under a rock for 20 years, you have to know that there has been people grumbling about Big 3 cars for more years than I care to count...one would have to be naive to not see their impending bankruptcy...while I blame it heavily on poor workmanship from the union (extra screws, windows that don't fit, doors that don't line up are not poor mgmt but workers who don't care about ehri product) and other may blame it on mgmt, either way the PRODUCT is being deserted for what many believe are superior products, Toy and Honda...
Telling us about your 20 year old Buick ain't gonna sway anyone to walk into a Big 3 dealer, because your experience simply hasn't happened enough times to matter...
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- #5700 of 16701
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Re: Myth No. 3 [steve_]
by grbeck
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 02, 2008 9:38 am)
With few exceptions - the Edsel convertible and 1957 Cadillac - those cars all look heavily modified, with new paint, sheetmetal, etc.
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- #5701 of 16701
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Re: Myth No. 3 [dallasdude1]
by chikoo
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:25 pm)
Hmm...
Did you see the video from top Gear where rest of the world uses a Toyota, and they don't have to keep it running? It just keeps on running 
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- #5702 of 16701
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Re: lemko [marsha7]
by lemko
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 02, 2008 9:55 am)
The only people I know who've ever complained about their cars - whether foreign or domestic - were they people who treated them like garbage. They never serviced them, let small problems turn into big ones, changed their oil like once a decade, never washed them, and the interiors were so filthy they should've been declared biohazards.
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- #5703 of 16701
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Re: DD, Out of touch on so many issues [avatexrs1]
by chikoo
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am)
>Come to think of it, an executive that can negotiate that deal ought to be Waggoner's replacement at GM to negotiate with the unions and suppliers.
I would not bet on it.
In my very honest opinion, a CEO should think about the company first, before himself. When these greedy bastards negotiate their Salary and bonus, what targets are they setting in order to claim that, if any? It appears the only target they set is the stock price, which is not a true indicator since it is driven more by speculation than true fundamentals.
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- #5704 of 16701
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Re: Statistics, Lemko, Statistics [lemko]
by chikoo
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 8:21 am)
in my opinion, Ford has been doing some very good product work lately with the Mazda platforms, and rolling it out to all Ford products.
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- #5705 of 16701
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Re: Cooter [bumpy]
by lemko
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 02, 2008 8:27 am)
Funny, I see a lot of survivors like my '88 Park Ave whether they are LeSabres, Electras, or Park Avenues. Looks like very few that weren't accident casualties ended up in the scrapyard.
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Re: DD, Out of touch on so many issues [avatexrs1]
by fintail
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Dec 02, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: avatexrs1 (Dec 02, 2008 7:20 am)
Look how the undeserved incomes of CEOs have increased compared to the workplace in general, and look at the economic picture they have wrought. Look at the good old boys club that exists among these souless cowards and how they are recycled like bad garbage from one overpaid position to another. They are lucky religion still keeps the poor from killing the rich, or these guys would be dragged out of bed at night and shot on a regular basis.
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