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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm) You keep trying to suggest that because Bush was friends with Ken Lay, that he was responsible for Enron's collapse, and that Enron executives got away with fraud. This is false. Bush did not run Enron. He bears no responsibility for what happened. Second, Enron executives - including Ken Lay - were prosecuted and convicted during the Bush presidency. If you think that the president has no influence over who is and isn't prosecuted by federal attorneys, you are kidding yourself. Incidentally, the interview that you linked to noted that Lay was friends with Ann Richards, the Democratic governor of Texas, and he supported her bid for governor. Sooo...does this mean that she is responsible for what happened at Enron? I agree with you on one thing - you should stick to discussing the UAW. 
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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081202/united_auto_workers_meeting.html - Local United Auto Workers leaders from across the U.S. will hold an emergency meeting in Detroit on Wednesday to discuss concessions the union could make to help auto companies get government loans. UAW leaders called the meeting Monday night in an e-mail, obtained by The Associated Press, to local union presidents and bargaining chairmen. Among the subjects to be discussed at the meeting will be the possibility of restructuring the union-administered health care fund so that the automakers can delay payments to the multibillion-dollar fund, according to a person familiar with the matter. The union leaders will also discuss potentially eliminating the jobs bank, in which laid-off workers keep receiving most of their pay. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the ...
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 02, 2008 8:54 am) I doubt that very many places in Cuba are more than 50 miles from the ocean and I suspect they have a lot of muddy roads there. There are a lot of good looking old cars there still in daily use. And a lot must look like this one. The UAW "deplores the limits on the freedom of the Cuban people -- including restrictions on workers who seek free trade unions." link
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 02, 2008 9:38 am) |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 02, 2008 9:36 am) I hope there's enough time for all of them to drive to Detroit for the meeting. I wouldn't want a congressperson to be upset by finding out they flew in an, gasp, _airplane_. Especially if the plane were a small charter or jet owned by the Unions... Hmmm. Can someone check the FAA site to see if they're flying any Union owned jets around for this meeting? 
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 02, 2008 9:44 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 8:25 am) |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 02, 2008 8:38 am) |
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"Based on my own personal experiences, as well as my friends and families owning Detroit's vehicles over the last 25 years, none of us fit in to your example. We bought several Big 3 vehicles when we were in our 20s, and many more afterward, and they just keep going and going and going like the Energizer bunny. The vehicles are over 20 years old, upwards of 100K miles, and they are still with us." lemko, your experience may not be unique, just simply not enough of you to matter...unless you have been under a rock for 20 years, you have to know that there has been people grumbling about Big 3 cars for more years than I care to count...one would have to be naive to not see their impending bankruptcy...while I blame it heavily on poor workmanship from the union (extra screws, windows that don't fit, doors that don't line up are not poor mgmt but workers who don't care about ehri product) and other may blame it on mgmt, either way the PRODUCT is being deserted for what many believe are superior products, Toy and Honda... Telling us about your 20 year old Buick ain't gonna sway anyone to walk into a Big 3 dealer, because your experience simply hasn't happened enough times to matter...
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