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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 8:25 am) |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 7:35 am) Most of my cars have been bought used...VERY used in some cases, so if I've had problems it's not necessarily the manufacturer's fault, as the car could have been neglected. I've never had a GM car that was bad enough to make me swear off GM, but my '82 Cutlass Supreme coupe made me swear I'd never by another GM car with that era of 231 V-6 again! FWIW though, they redesigned the 231 block for 1985, improving it considerably. And if I were to ever search out a car like that again, I'd look for a V-8.
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 8:21 am) http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/reliability.aspx?year=1995&make=Chrysler&model- =Lebaron Unfortunately, it wasn't true for all Chrysler products.... Take the 1995 Neon for example http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?modelid=815 Now look at the Honda Civic of the same year. http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?modelid=1324 The Honda retains twice the value and gets higher reading ratings. Further, the statistics say that more people are happy with more models of Honda than they are with Chrysler built (or GM or Ford built modes if you prefer). Can you only argue that everybody in America is crazy, Lemko? Even if they are, what those numbers are saying is that people believe that they are going to have less trouble with a Civic than a Neon. It's also saying that, while there may be good individual U.S. models, statistically they believe that the bet to make is to buy a foreign car. You can say that it's not true, but the statistical weight of what the market believes goes against you. Without something dramatic you're not going to change that belief. Allowing your argument that the cars themselves are just as good, GM has had decades to change the impression that America has of them and failed. What are they going to do different this time to change that. The Volt is predestined to be a failure even if it delivers everything promised. It's $40K and does nothing that a Prius doesn't do as well for a lot less money. How is that a game changer? Now if Toyota had the Volt and GM was introducing the Prius, they might have something. The Volt is another Vega in the making. (And to get back on track) management is to blame for that decision, not the UAW. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:25 pm) I've owned several, and so have my friends. And our collective experience does not support your opinion. dallasdude: Second we do know that Cuba has kept all those old Amreican cars running all these years. Somehow, I doubt that Cuba, with its tropical climate, has had to apply salt to the roads because of snow and ice too many times over the past 50+ years. Also note that most of those American cars you see have been so heavily patched and modified to keep them running that they really bear little resemblance to their original state. Some of those cars don't even have their original drivetrains anymore. dallasdude: Regarding Honda CVT reliability, check out the Dept. of Energy long term testing of hybrids: Actually, considering that this is new technology, the record is hardly awful. Looking over the results, I note that the two 2006 Civics went for 147,000 and 153,000 with no transmission problems. The two 2005 Accord Hybrids went for 154,000 and 151,000 miles with no transmission problems. Two of the 2003 Civics had transmission problems at about 95,000 miles, The Insights also had transmission problems around that point, too. The logical conclusion is that Honda had transmission trouble with the early models, but it appears as though Honda has corrected said transmission troubles for the new models. The CVT transmission appears to be troublesome, which is hardly unique to Honda. Ask people who have had the misfortune of owning a Saturn Vue with the CVT...and that one didn't even feature a hybrid drivetrain.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm) You keep trying to suggest that because Bush was friends with Ken Lay, that he was responsible for Enron's collapse, and that Enron executives got away with fraud. This is false. Bush did not run Enron. He bears no responsibility for what happened. Second, Enron executives - including Ken Lay - were prosecuted and convicted during the Bush presidency. If you think that the president has no influence over who is and isn't prosecuted by federal attorneys, you are kidding yourself. Incidentally, the interview that you linked to noted that Lay was friends with Ann Richards, the Democratic governor of Texas, and he supported her bid for governor. Sooo...does this mean that she is responsible for what happened at Enron? I agree with you on one thing - you should stick to discussing the UAW. 
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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081202/united_auto_workers_meeting.html - Local United Auto Workers leaders from across the U.S. will hold an emergency meeting in Detroit on Wednesday to discuss concessions the union could make to help auto companies get government loans. UAW leaders called the meeting Monday night in an e-mail, obtained by The Associated Press, to local union presidents and bargaining chairmen. Among the subjects to be discussed at the meeting will be the possibility of restructuring the union-administered health care fund so that the automakers can delay payments to the multibillion-dollar fund, according to a person familiar with the matter. The union leaders will also discuss potentially eliminating the jobs bank, in which laid-off workers keep receiving most of their pay. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the ...
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 02, 2008 8:54 am) I doubt that very many places in Cuba are more than 50 miles from the ocean and I suspect they have a lot of muddy roads there. There are a lot of good looking old cars there still in daily use. And a lot must look like this one. The UAW "deplores the limits on the freedom of the Cuban people -- including restrictions on workers who seek free trade unions." link
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 02, 2008 9:38 am) |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 02, 2008 9:36 am) I hope there's enough time for all of them to drive to Detroit for the meeting. I wouldn't want a congressperson to be upset by finding out they flew in an, gasp, _airplane_. Especially if the plane were a small charter or jet owned by the Unions... Hmmm. Can someone check the FAA site to see if they're flying any Union owned jets around for this meeting? 
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