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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 02, 2008 8:09 am) No, he hasn't had the work done. It's cold where he lives so he's gonna drive it through the winter and then dump it. But it's probably comparable to a Mustang I had a few years ago that cost $260 to have one regulator done. And that was at a small repair shop, not the dealer.
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 02, 2008 8:12 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 8:02 am) Maybe it is because you are extremely good to your cars. Most people I know just drive em. Change the oil at various intervals when it fits their schedule. Your experience with Cadillac and Buick are similar to my wife and her LS400. Though looking back at her records she was screwed over on routine maintenance by the dealer. My experience with GM dealers service is overall better than the imports. The worst being Subaru in Alaska. The sad part for me is not GM going down it is the dealers that have treated me well over the years with my GM trucks. Most were bought in one state and serviced here in CA. I am not enthused with Toyota service. My complaints were all given the brushoff. Sorry about that. I still consider the UAW the key to GM survival. |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 7:35 am)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Dec 02, 2008 8:17 am) LOL, I tried to do the same thing with my truck! That window motor has actually been dead for about a year. But about a month ago, I decided to pull the door apart and see if it was something I could replace myself. I did two window motors in a 1979 New Yorker a few years back, and they were pretty easy. Once you got the door trim off, basically just unplug the motor, take off three bolts, and it comes right out. How different could it be on the truck? Well, I found out! Part of the process involved actually taking out the window glass Another part involved loosening the lift mechanism, which was under tension. I have one of those Haynes repair manuals, and it gave a caution, stating that serious injury can occur if you don't do it just right. Well, I should have taken that as a warning to just leave it alone and pay to get it fixed! I got the window out and the lift mechanism loosened, but still couldn't get to the motor. And I couldn't get the window glass back in. That was when I gave up. I put the truck in the garage. I drove it a few times, when I had to, but this isn't exactly good weather to drive with no window! I thought it would cost more to have the mechanic fix, actually. Heck, if I'd known it would've been this cheap, I would've fixed it when it first broke! I've thought about getting a new truck from time to time, and really would like to stick with GM. But their 4L60E transmission still concerns me. I heard that Edmunds has a 2008 Chevy pickup that just ate its transmission, so it's still a weak spot. I'll probably just stick it out with the truck I have for the forseeable future. I don't think there's really anything on the truck that's horribly expensive to fix if it breaks. The engine is a 305, and those things are a dime a dozen, and the old THM350C transmission is pretty sturdy, and I think only around $800 to rebuild. Fuel economy isn't so hot, but I don't really drive it enough to justify getting a newer, more efficient truck. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 8:25 am) |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 7:35 am) Most of my cars have been bought used...VERY used in some cases, so if I've had problems it's not necessarily the manufacturer's fault, as the car could have been neglected. I've never had a GM car that was bad enough to make me swear off GM, but my '82 Cutlass Supreme coupe made me swear I'd never by another GM car with that era of 231 V-6 again! FWIW though, they redesigned the 231 block for 1985, improving it considerably. And if I were to ever search out a car like that again, I'd look for a V-8.
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 8:21 am) http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/reliability.aspx?year=1995&make=Chrysler&model- =Lebaron Unfortunately, it wasn't true for all Chrysler products.... Take the 1995 Neon for example http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?modelid=815 Now look at the Honda Civic of the same year. http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?modelid=1324 The Honda retains twice the value and gets higher reading ratings. Further, the statistics say that more people are happy with more models of Honda than they are with Chrysler built (or GM or Ford built modes if you prefer). Can you only argue that everybody in America is crazy, Lemko? Even if they are, what those numbers are saying is that people believe that they are going to have less trouble with a Civic than a Neon. It's also saying that, while there may be good individual U.S. models, statistically they believe that the bet to make is to buy a foreign car. You can say that it's not true, but the statistical weight of what the market believes goes against you. Without something dramatic you're not going to change that belief. Allowing your argument that the cars themselves are just as good, GM has had decades to change the impression that America has of them and failed. What are they going to do different this time to change that. The Volt is predestined to be a failure even if it delivers everything promised. It's $40K and does nothing that a Prius doesn't do as well for a lot less money. How is that a game changer? Now if Toyota had the Volt and GM was introducing the Prius, they might have something. The Volt is another Vega in the making. (And to get back on track) management is to blame for that decision, not the UAW. |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:25 pm) I've owned several, and so have my friends. And our collective experience does not support your opinion. dallasdude: Second we do know that Cuba has kept all those old Amreican cars running all these years. Somehow, I doubt that Cuba, with its tropical climate, has had to apply salt to the roads because of snow and ice too many times over the past 50+ years. Also note that most of those American cars you see have been so heavily patched and modified to keep them running that they really bear little resemblance to their original state. Some of those cars don't even have their original drivetrains anymore. dallasdude: Regarding Honda CVT reliability, check out the Dept. of Energy long term testing of hybrids: Actually, considering that this is new technology, the record is hardly awful. Looking over the results, I note that the two 2006 Civics went for 147,000 and 153,000 with no transmission problems. The two 2005 Accord Hybrids went for 154,000 and 151,000 miles with no transmission problems. Two of the 2003 Civics had transmission problems at about 95,000 miles, The Insights also had transmission problems around that point, too. The logical conclusion is that Honda had transmission trouble with the early models, but it appears as though Honda has corrected said transmission troubles for the new models. The CVT transmission appears to be troublesome, which is hardly unique to Honda. Ask people who have had the misfortune of owning a Saturn Vue with the CVT...and that one didn't even feature a hybrid drivetrain.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm) You keep trying to suggest that because Bush was friends with Ken Lay, that he was responsible for Enron's collapse, and that Enron executives got away with fraud. This is false. Bush did not run Enron. He bears no responsibility for what happened. Second, Enron executives - including Ken Lay - were prosecuted and convicted during the Bush presidency. If you think that the president has no influence over who is and isn't prosecuted by federal attorneys, you are kidding yourself. Incidentally, the interview that you linked to noted that Lay was friends with Ann Richards, the Democratic governor of Texas, and he supported her bid for governor. Sooo...does this mean that she is responsible for what happened at Enron? I agree with you on one thing - you should stick to discussing the UAW. 
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